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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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View Poll Results: How do you usually do arnold/shoulder presses (referring to DBs only)?

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  • Standing without back support

    17 32.69%
  • Sitting without back support

    5 9.62%
  • Sitting with back support

    26 50.00%
  • Tried standin and/or without back support and went back to sitting/with back support

    3 5.77%
  • Other (please specify)

    1 1.92%
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    Wrecker of Homes d'Anconia's Avatar
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    How do you do your shoulder/arnold presses?

    I'm asking because I tried them today standing and obviously balance is harder but I also wonder if it causes some sort of strange compression in the back. Just want to see how everyone else does them...
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    i don't do them,this is basically how you do them.
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    I know but I'm asking whether everyone does it seated or if there are some people who try them standing and/or without back support. I'm not focusing on the symantecs of exactly what someone calls their shoulder pressing movement but rather whether they do it with back support or not.
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    I recently switched to standing without back support.
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    Standing. ALWAYS.
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    I do them both ways when I do them. Depends on how I'm feeling on that particular day.

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    I do both....however I do lighter weight when standing due to the stress on the back.

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    standing, don't know what back support is

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    i.e. sitting on the end of the bench (no back support) or sitting on the chair (with back support)
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    Im sorry, it seems like standing while doing them may hurt your back, but then someone mentions they stand more to avoid back injury. I'm really cautious about my back due to my father's bad back. Can someone who already posted elaborate on why they sit or stand? Thanks alot!

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    Sitting puts too much pressure on my lower back, where I'm fighting an injury.

    I'm of a mind that standing forces you to core-stabilize anyway.

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    I'm thinking of starting up with clean and presses again. They worked well in the past. Those, or maybe push presses.
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    Well, I mix it up. I generally do only seated DB presses/arnolds, though I have done arnolds standing. I like to do standing BB military presses, because I think it's a great strength/size builder. I'll do seated heavy smith shoulder presses.

    Will it cause compression in your back? Sure, I mean, especially if you're really arching your back out or moving onto your toes. IF you're doing that, you probably need to reduce the weight you're using, though I think it's okay to do that on the last couple reps of your later sets.
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    Either standing or sitting with no back support

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    I've done military press both standing and seated and standing doesn't feel good for my back at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arya202
    standing, don't know what back support is

    The best back support is strong abs and erectors...

    which is a good reason to do standing lifts.

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    Okay just making sure I wasn't the only nut who was trying them standing and without back support. Quite a bit more difficult but it doesn't sound like anyone has really gotten injured doing them with proper form.
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    Standing Barbell (no support) and Seated Arnolds (support).

    Yeah you definitely gotta lighten the load a bit. I did 5x135 on standing millies, went for a 6th but it was a no go. I definitely felt it in my lower back for the remainder of the workout. I'd definitely recommend keeping this exercise a few reps shy of failure (if you like training to failure), at least until your balance and form is very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    Standing. ALWAYS.
    Yep.

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    Standing barbell military presses. (HEAVY)

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    I really like standing BB millies.. i've seen great gains in both size and strength that I didn't see before I started doing them... I like doing 5x5 as heavy as I can.
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    Always did seated till recently. Just started doing standing barbell, supersetted with front squats. It rocks my world.
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    Good to see a lot of guys pressing. I think it was Paul Kelso who said you should have your press be at least 80% of your bench. It's a badass feeling too the first time you press your bodyweight overhead.

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