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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    DL: max bigger then Bench Max

    Ok the world record for bench I believe is 1048, DL is only 971.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlift

    The All time world record is held by Andy Bolton (UK) with a conventional pull of 971 lbs (2006), surpassing the previous record held by Benedikt Magnusson by a mere 1 lb.
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    The previous world record for the heaviest bench press at 1005 lb (456 kg) was set by Gene Rychlak under International Powerlifting Association rules in November 2004. This record was slightly broken. Scot Mendelson pressed 1,008 pounds on his first attempt at the Fit Expo at the 2006 Iron Man Bodybuilding contest on February 18, 2006. It must be noted that the different federations have subtly different rules on technique, the equipment that is allowed and whether performance enhancing drugs are tested for.

    The heaviest "raw" bench press (without equipment such as denim shirts) is 715 lb (325 kg) by Scot Mendelson.
    I consider it kinda odd that most of the time poeple DL maxes could be double the bench max. Naturally you'd expectr the world max for DL to be bigger then the bench max wouldn't you? Can anyone confirm this?
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    I guess the most correct way to explain it would be a point of diminishing returns in terms of the mechanics of the exercise.

    The most obvious example is grip- allowing X weight to sit in your hands versus allowing X weight to hang from your hands.
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    Erm I guess thats a fair point, grip must become a problem at a certain level.

    I couldn't see how bench grip could be a problem (for holding onto the weight) but DL I could see grip becoming a problem.
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    the strongest raw max is 751,so thats less then dl record. they have better equipment to enhance bench then deads thats all
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    But is that 971 DL without gloves, and straps and belts? Thats gear isn't it.
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    Holy crap just imagine a HUMAN deadlifting one ton ?
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    No straps or gloves, but a suit and belt most likely.

    It's more meaningful to look at full meet bench records- the deadlift is performed last in a meet, after the lifter has squatted and benched, whereas the bench record you are looking at was performed in a bench only meet.

    Yes, equipment plays a role, as does judging. A deadlift is pretty much a deadlift. However a bench can change quite a bit depending on how the rules of the lift are applied (WRT where the bar touches, placement of head and feet, length of pause, assistance of liftoff, etc)

    For example, the 1000 pound bench that is the record is simply not the same lift that is performed in, say, the USAPL, and is not the same lift as many of the previous records.
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    One ton holy crap, thats a lot weight

    Bunch of lifters sitting around yea man I just hit 1.2 today and teh girl goes only a pound point two the lifter goes no a 2,200
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik00117

    Bunch of lifters sitting around yea man I just hit 1.2 today and teh girl goes only a pound point two the lifter goes no a 2,200

    That's what I was thinking.
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    Wait a sec, didn't that one guy from Iceland do over 1k on deads? Forgot his name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodigy06
    Wait a sec, didn't that one guy from Iceland do over 1k on deads? Forgot his name.
    Benedikt Magnusson, he pulled it to his knees but couldn't lock it out.
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    Out of curiosity, of the top powerlifteres in the world what portion would you say were on steroids? I know a very very large percent (near 100%) of top-tier bodybuilders are on steroids but how about powerlifters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d'Anconia
    Out of curiosity, of the top powerlifteres in the world what portion would you say were on steroids? I know a very very large percent (near 100%) of top-tier bodybuilders are on steroids but how about powerlifters?

    I'm not an expert on that but it's gotta be close to 100%, I would be suprised if anyone has broken 700 on any lift naturally and elite powerlifters are lifting alot more than that.
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    A very similar number.

    The IPF (USAPL) is the most strict about testing, but it's not all that effective. What I think is more effective is that most PLers prefer to compete where they belong - so they (many) don't compete in tested meets if they are on, as opposed to bodybuilding, where that is certainly not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
    I'm not an expert on that but it's gotta be close to 100%, I would be suprised if anyone has broken 700 on any lift naturally and elite powerlifters are lifting alot more than that.
    Wrong. Lots of natural guys can do over 700 on any of the lifts, with the right equipment. All RAW, now that's another story.
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    The reason the bench record is higher than the deadlift is all because of equipment. A lifter who already benches a lot raw can gain 200+ lbs from the right bench shirt. Equipment is not as effective for the deadlift. Even elite lifters probably get no more than 50lbs from a deadlift suit. Hence the difference.
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    Let's address another issue...

    Why are there so many strong people named Magnusson?

    And with that, how many regular people are named Magnusson if we've got like 10% of the elite strength athletes in the world using that name?

    And why are people in the Netherlands so unoriginal?

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    If I change my name, do you think it'd apply? If not, I'll just have a son with that name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrelwooddowd
    Let's address another issue...

    Why are there so many strong people named Magnusson?

    And with that, how many regular people are named Magnusson if we've got like 10% of the elite strength athletes in the world using that name?

    And why are people in the Netherlands so unoriginal?

    Sorry, Stein!
    Benedikt Magnusson is Magnus' brother. They are both from Iceland. Obviously, the strength genes run in that family bigtime.
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    I had a friend in High school named Magnusson. We used to call him Magnus, but he wasn't that big

    I think you need to look at the average bench and deadlift among the top lifters. For the most part, the best lifters are putting up 600-800 on bench and 700-900 on Deads. Guys that are benching in the 900s-1000lbs are bench specialists, this is all they do. There aren't a whole lot of Deadlift-only guys out there (although there are some) and the deadlift is done AFTER squatting and benching in a full meet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrelwooddowd
    Let's address another issue...

    Why are there so many strong people named Magnusson?

    And with that, how many regular people are named Magnusson if we've got like 10% of the elite strength athletes in the world using that name?

    And why are people in the Netherlands so unoriginal?

    Sorry, Stein!
    Isn't Stein from Norway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjohnso
    Isn't Stein from Norway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xian
    If I change my name, do you think it'd apply? If not, I'll just have a son with that name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik00117
    One ton holy crap, thats a lot weight

    Bunch of lifters sitting around yea man I just hit 1.2 today and teh girl goes only a pound point two the lifter goes no a 2,200
    if ur tlkin bout the benching man. 1,000lbs is not a tonne. 1,000kg is a tonne. thousand lbs is half a tonne

    edit: OH where u tlking about totals. Sorry man. Ill go back to my corner.
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