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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    PL87's Training Journal

    Hey everyone. This is my first post here. I'll start with a little bit about myself. I've been lifting for just over 2 years, about a year and a half of that time being mostly powerlifting. I just turned 19 about 6 weeks ago. I'm 5'4" and 230lbs. My best lifts are squat- 460lbs., bench- 275lbs.x2, and deadlift- 410lbs,, all RAW and only belt on the squat and deadlift. I have had quite a few injuries the past few months, and I'm taking some time off from squat/deadlift still due to a back injury. So, basically right now, I am focusing mostly on bench, and I am aiming to break the drug-tested bench-only SHW Women's open division American/World Record in AAPF next year (current record is 346.5lbs.). So far all of my training has been done RAW. I'm going to start using a shirt in about 2 months, and training mostly with that until my meet. So, I'll post my training later tonight then.
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    Good to see you over here PL87, your lifts are badass for your age. This is a good board, you'll get a lot of support here, although more bodybuilders than powerlifters unlike over at FI. Btw, I post over at FI as Leprechaun, hence any confusion about who the heck I am.

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    Thanks Pup. Yeah, cool. Thanks. I do a mix of bodybuilding in my lifting anyway, so that's fine.

    07/20

    Warmup- DB Flyes
    20sx10x2

    Bench Press
    45x10x2
    135x6x3
    185x15 PR
    205x10 PR
    225x5

    Did some high-rep benching. All sets were about 1 rep short of failure, b/c coming back from injury, but still got a couple PRs here.

    Flat DB Press
    70sx13
    80sx10
    90sx7
    100sx2
    100sx3

    Went pretty well, but definitely not the best db pressing I've done. Last 2 sets were not good at all. The 100s I was using felt like one weighed 5lbs. more and I was off balance on them. I will have to use the other set next time. In comparison, I've done 100sx7 a few weeks back.

    DB Shoulder Press
    50sx12 PR
    55sx7
    55sx7
    55sx6

    These went pretty well. Only second time doing them, so a lot of room for improvement here.

    Tricep Pushdowns -Close-Grip Angled Bar on Lat Pulldown
    75x12 PR
    87.5x8 PR
    100x3
    100x3
    Drop Set: 100x3, 75x5, 50x8

    The lat pulldown at my gym is an extremely hard cable compared to all the rest I have seen, so that's why the weights may seem off. Went good though.

    Skullcrushers
    65x10
    85x7
    105x4 PR
    105x3
    105x3

    Only the 5th time I done these and they're awesome. Really happy with them today.

    Weight: 228lbs.
    Grade: A-
    Time: 2hrs. 40mins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POWERLIFTER87
    Thanks Pup. Yeah, cool. Thanks. I do a mix of bodybuilding in my lifting anyway, so that's fine.

    07/20

    Warmup- DB Flyes
    20sx10x2

    Bench Press
    45x10x2
    135x6x3
    185x15 PR
    205x10 PR
    225x5

    Did some high-rep benching. All sets were about 1 rep short of failure, b/c coming back from injury, but still got a couple PRs here.

    Flat DB Press
    70sx13
    80sx10
    90sx7
    100sx2
    100sx3

    Went pretty well, but definitely not the best db pressing I've done. Last 2 sets were not good at all. The 100s I was using felt like one weighed 5lbs. more and I was off balance on them. I will have to use the other set next time. In comparison, I've done 100sx7 a few weeks back.

    DB Shoulder Press
    50sx12 PR
    55sx7
    55sx7
    55sx6

    These went pretty well. Only second time doing them, so a lot of room for improvement here.

    Tricep Pushdowns -Close-Grip Angled Bar on Lat Pulldown
    75x12 PR
    87.5x8 PR
    100x3
    100x3
    Drop Set: 100x3, 75x5, 50x8

    The lat pulldown at my gym is an extremely hard cable compared to all the rest I have seen, so that's why the weights may seem off. Went good though.

    Skullcrushers
    65x10
    85x7
    105x4 PR
    105x3
    105x3

    Only the 5th time I done these and they're awesome. Really happy with them today.

    Weight: 228lbs.
    Grade: A-
    Time: 2hrs. 40mins.
    Your already doing full ROM benching and fairly heavy.....YAY

    So I am guessing your pec is pretty much healed then?
    Squat:525lbs
    Bench:335lbs
    Deadlift:440lbs

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    Welcome aboard PL87...
    Awesome lifting for anyone.. let alone a young women..
    Good luck with the injuries.. and your goals..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiftingKid
    Your already doing full ROM benching and fairly heavy.....YAY

    So I am guessing your pec is pretty much healed then?
    Yeah, I'm gonna do one more lighter week, then start my new cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by bearwolf
    Welcome aboard PL87...
    Awesome lifting for anyone.. let alone a young women..
    Good luck with the injuries.. and your goals..
    Thanks bearwolf.

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    07/21

    Only slept around 5 hours last night and I had to train early today, since I started my new job in the afternoon. My friend from the gym got fired this week for something he never did and today I found out the reason why and who lied about it. This made me extremely pissed off when my other friend told me halfway through my workout, but I did lift better because of it I think.

    Lat Pulldowns - Wide Overhand Grip
    50x10x2
    100x18 PR
    125x14 PR
    150x9 PR
    175x5 PR
    187.5x3 PR
    175x4

    These went really awesome today.

    Chest-supported Rows
    90x12
    140x6
    160x6 PR
    180x2
    180x3
    180x5 PR
    200x3 PR
    200x2

    First few sets weren't too good, but I made up for that at the end.

    Hammer Curls
    50sx8
    55sx6 PR
    60sx4 PR
    65sx4 PR
    65sx3
    65sx3

    Also went great today.

    Weight: N/A
    Grade: A
    Time: 1hr. 30mins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POWERLIFTER87
    07/21

    Only slept around 5 hours last night and I had to train early today, since I started my new job in the afternoon. My friend from the gym got fired this week for something he never did and today I found out the reason why and who lied about it. This made me extremely pissed off when my other friend told me halfway through my workout, but I did lift better because of it I think.

    Lat Pulldowns - Wide Overhand Grip
    50x10x2
    100x18 PR
    125x14 PR
    150x9 PR
    175x5 PR
    187.5x3 PR
    175x4

    These went really awesome today.

    Chest-supported Rows
    90x12
    140x6
    160x6 PR
    180x2
    180x3
    180x5 PR
    200x3 PR
    200x2

    First few sets weren't too good, but I made up for that at the end.

    Hammer Curls
    50sx8
    55sx6 PR
    60sx4 PR
    65sx4 PR
    65sx3
    65sx3

    Also went great today.

    Weight: N/A
    Grade: A
    Time: 1hr. 30mins.

    Nice back and biceps work.
    Squat:525lbs
    Bench:335lbs
    Deadlift:440lbs

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    pretty impressive numbers young lady,i'm going to like reading your log.
    Last edited by getfit; 07-22-2006 at 11:57 AM.
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    Wow strong for a guy or gal! What are you doing the rows on HS? Just curious thats big wt! Good luck with the back and break the bench record!
    Remember, to get big, you have to get strong. The two are interconnected. Lift heavy, work hard, and size will come. Like night follows day. It works. Arnold
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    LiftingKid- Thanks.
    getfit- Thanks. I'll try to make it interesting.
    bill- Thanks. The CS Rows are on some kind of plate-loaded HS type thing. Don't know if it's actually HS or a different company. And I will break the bench record. That will be my first meet.

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    07/24

    Warmup: DB Flyes/Shoulder Raises

    Bench Press
    45x10x2
    135x6
    2-Board
    135x6
    185x5
    215x10 PR
    225x8+2Rest Pause PR
    215x10
    210x5

    Well, first few sets went well. Reinjured my pec on the last set, and just stopped at the end of that rep. I decided I'm going to take the next 4 weeks off from chest work this time. That seems like a better idea.

    Front Raises
    20sx10x5

    Went pretty light on these. Easy.

    Side Raises
    20sx10x5

    Same here.

    Tricep Pushdowns (On lat pulldown)
    Close-Grip Angled Bar:
    75x10
    75x15 PR
    87.5x6
    75x15
    75x12
    1-Arm (Each):
    25x10
    37.5x4
    37.5x4
    25x15
    25+5lb.platex8

    These went pretty well. First set on each was just feeling it out. Also, 87.5 set hurt a bit so just did the higher reps with 75. Then 1-arm I haven't done before and those were good.

    Plate-Loaded Curl Machine
    50x12
    70x8
    90x5
    100x3
    50x13

    I was going to end with barbell curls today, but my wrist was bothering me warming up with the bar and I did this instead. Don't know exactly what it's called.

    Weight: 230lbs.
    Grade: B
    Time: Don't remember exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by POWERLIFTER87
    07/24

    Warmup: DB Flyes/Shoulder Raises

    Bench Press
    45x10x2
    135x6
    2-Board
    135x6
    185x5
    215x10 PR
    225x8+2Rest Pause PR
    215x10
    210x5

    Well, first few sets went well. Reinjured my pec on the last set, and just stopped at the end of that rep. I decided I'm going to take the next 4 weeks off from chest work this time. That seems like a better idea.

    Front Raises
    20sx10x5

    Went pretty light on these. Easy.

    Side Raises
    20sx10x5

    Same here.

    Tricep Pushdowns (On lat pulldown)
    Close-Grip Angled Bar:
    75x10
    75x15 PR
    87.5x6
    75x15
    75x12
    1-Arm (Each):
    25x10
    37.5x4
    37.5x4
    25x15
    25+5lb.platex8

    These went pretty well. First set on each was just feeling it out. Also, 87.5 set hurt a bit so just did the higher reps with 75. Then 1-arm I haven't done before and those were good.

    Plate-Loaded Curl Machine
    50x12
    70x8
    90x5
    100x3
    50x13

    I was going to end with barbell curls today, but my wrist was bothering me warming up with the bar and I did this instead. Don't know exactly what it's called.

    Weight: 230lbs.
    Grade: B
    Time: Don't remember exactly
    Hey, it's not like getting an injury on the last set of something is anything new to me. Get well soon PL87.
    Squat:525lbs
    Bench:335lbs
    Deadlift:440lbs

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    Good session, I hope the pec heals quickly.
    May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows you're dead.

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    wow, i'm impressed, so strong
    You will soon see Getfit in OngII Flying Knee Thingys of Doom see if the feisty greek can survive the kicks of Steel Leg From Shaolin Soccer,Dim Mak(def touch) from ChungLee,and Flying Crane by Daniel-san-El Pietro

    Spray it with windex greek!-the famous El Pietro

    You be quiet or i'll clean and press your narrow francophone self-Callahan

    Lift for gains,not glory.Control your ego and the weight

    What a strong girl! This leads me to believe you can severly injure most of the male population-Nick Hatfield

    You're blazing white hot,anyone ever tell you that? Sometimes i think you have fingers faster then Superman when it comes to posts on WBB forums.
    Hot in terms of both speed and... well new hotness- Stash

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    Thanks everyone.

    07/25

    Leg Press
    180x10x2
    270x10
    360x10
    450x10
    540x10
    630x10 PR
    720x10 PR
    810x5 PR
    810x8 PR
    900x5 PR
    900x4

    These were just amazing today. Huge improvement from last week. Only the first 810 set wasn't that good. Everything else went awesome.

    Hip Abduction Machine
    180x8
    180+5lbs. platex6
    180+5lbs. platex6
    180+5lbs. platex5
    180+5lbs. platex5

    First time doing this. My friend said these were good to help with squats. I had no idea what it was even before today.

    Leg Curls
    100x10 PR
    120x7 PR
    140x4 PR
    140x3
    120x4

    Getting better slowly. I really suck at these.

    Seated Calf Raises
    50x12
    90x12
    140x8
    180x3
    90x15

    Also something I've never done. Very hard. I thought it would be easier to do more weight based on what I squat and leg press and such, but I guess not.

    Weight: 231lbs. (Finally over 230 for the first time in months)
    Grade: A
    Time: 2hr. 30mins.
    Last edited by POWERLIFTER87; 07-25-2006 at 08:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POWERLIFTER87
    Thanks everyone.

    07/25

    Leg Press
    180x10x2
    270x10
    360x10
    450x10
    540x10
    630x10 PR
    720x10 PR
    810x5 PR
    810x8 PR
    900x5 PR
    900x4

    These were just amazing today. Huge improvement from last week. Only the first 810 set wasn't that good. Everything else went awesome.

    Hip Abduction Machine
    180x8
    180+5lbs. platex6
    180+5lbs. platex6
    180+5lbs. platex5
    180+5lbs. platex5

    First time doing this. My friend said these were good to help with squats. I had no idea what it was even before today.

    Leg Curls
    100x10 PR
    120x7 PR
    140x4 PR
    140x3
    120x4

    Getting better slowly. I really suck at these.

    Seated Calf Raises
    50x12
    90x12
    140x8
    180x3
    90x15

    Also something I've never done. Very hard. I thought it would be easier to do more weight based on what I squat and leg press and such, but I guess not.

    Weight: 231lbs. (Finally over 230 for the first time in months)
    Grade: A
    Time: 2hr. 30mins.
    So do the Hip abductors act as stablilizers of the legs during a squat? Nice leg pressing PL87.
    Squat:525lbs
    Bench:335lbs
    Deadlift:440lbs

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    900 on leg press *faints* looking great hon!
    You will soon see Getfit in OngII Flying Knee Thingys of Doom see if the feisty greek can survive the kicks of Steel Leg From Shaolin Soccer,Dim Mak(def touch) from ChungLee,and Flying Crane by Daniel-san-El Pietro

    Spray it with windex greek!-the famous El Pietro

    You be quiet or i'll clean and press your narrow francophone self-Callahan

    Lift for gains,not glory.Control your ego and the weight

    What a strong girl! This leads me to believe you can severly injure most of the male population-Nick Hatfield

    You're blazing white hot,anyone ever tell you that? Sometimes i think you have fingers faster then Superman when it comes to posts on WBB forums.
    Hot in terms of both speed and... well new hotness- Stash

    gain 50lbs-Anthony

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    Fantastic numbers in here, looking forward to following your progress. Can't wait to see you break the bench record.
    PRs: 655/525/645 = 1825 Total
    Meet PRs: Bench Only 525

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    Thanks everyone.
    LiftingKid- Yeah, I think so.

    07/27

    Front Raises SS/ Side Raises
    15sx10/15sx10
    20sx10/20sx10
    25sx10 PR/25sx10 PR
    30sx7 PR/30sx7 PR
    30sx6/30sx8 PR

    Most weight I've ever used on either of these. Went great.

    Rope Triceps Pushdowns (on lat pulldown)
    50x10
    75x4
    75x4
    75x4
    75x4

    Pretty good. Elbows were bothering me some on these and that almost never happens.

    Skullcrushers
    50x10
    50x10
    70x8
    90xDid Not Attempt

    First few sets were ok. Way short of failure. I was going to go moderately heavy, but when I unracked 90 and went down about 1 inch it hurt too bad so I just racked it and stopped doing these.

    I did a bunch of other triceps stuff and figured out what I could and couldn't do and ended with r/c stuff. Let's just say it makes all this even more depressing and leave it at that.

    Weight: 229lbs.
    Grade: B
    Time: 2hrs.

    Well anyways, after tomorrow, I'm cutting down the volume a lot the next 2 weeks, the first being moderate weight (might do leg press heavy one more time and possibly a few other things), the second being really light, each with 2 upper days and 2 lower days. Then, I'm taking a week off. After that, I'm really hoping all this **** will be over with. I want to get back to training for real, and I'm not making the same mistakes again. The one good thing I guess that came from all this is that I learned that I can no longer keep training so heavy (over 90%) 4 times a week all the time like I did for a long time when I started lifting. Also, I'm learning how to deal with injuries and take it more seriously than I was at first, and this time not lift heavy right away at least for a few weeks.

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    Holy crap! I first saw your numbers and was impressed. Then I saw that you are a woman and about sh*t my pants! Great work! I know you'll be breaking plenty of records in your time, and you're only just beginning...
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    wow!! NICE WORKOUTS!!!

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    Thanks Guido and musclechic.

    Yesterday's Training

    07/28

    Cable Rows (Wide/Palms facing each other grip)
    50x10x2
    100x10
    150x8
    175x4
    175x4
    175x4

    Pretty good.

    Hammer Curls
    50sx8
    60sx6 PR
    70sx3 PR
    70sx2

    First few sets were great. On the last set, when I picked up the dbs to start, did something to the tendons in the back of my hand. Not the first time this has happened, as it's happened a few times in sports when I was younger, but is the first time from lifting. Only got 2 reps, as then I couldn't grip it anymore. Was gonna do a 5th set, but I couldn't hold the weight.

    Chest-supported Rows (Underhand grip)
    90x10
    140x10
    180x4
    180x5
    180x5

    So, now I taped my hand with duct tape (only thing I had in my bag that I thought might help) and used straps to do these. Considering that I still had a real hard time gripping the handles, these weren't too bad.

    Cable Curls (Each Arm)
    30x12
    40x10
    50x6
    50x6

    Was gonna do barbell or db curls, but both of those really were out of the question. So, this was the only thing I could think of to do a few more sets of biceps.

    Weight: 230lbs.
    Grade: B
    Time: 1hr. 30mins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POWERLIFTER87
    Thanks Guido and musclechic.

    Yesterday's Training

    07/28

    Cable Rows (Wide/Palms facing each other grip)
    50x10x2
    100x10
    150x8
    175x4
    175x4
    175x4

    Pretty good.

    Hammer Curls
    50sx8
    60sx6 PR
    70sx3 PR
    70sx2

    First few sets were great. On the last set, when I picked up the dbs to start, did something to the tendons in the back of my hand. Not the first time this has happened, as it's happened a few times in sports when I was younger, but is the first time from lifting. Only got 2 reps, as then I couldn't grip it anymore. Was gonna do a 5th set, but I couldn't hold the weight.

    Chest-supported Rows (Underhand grip)
    90x10
    140x10
    180x4
    180x5
    180x5

    So, now I taped my hand with duct tape (only thing I had in my bag that I thought might help) and used straps to do these. Considering that I still had a real hard time gripping the handles, these weren't too bad.

    Cable Curls (Each Arm)
    30x12
    40x10
    50x6
    50x6

    Was gonna do barbell or db curls, but both of those really were out of the question. So, this was the only thing I could think of to do a few more sets of biceps.

    Weight: 230lbs.
    Grade: B
    Time: 1hr. 30mins.
    I feel bad for you

    Ah well, I am more injury prone than anyone.
    Squat:525lbs
    Bench:335lbs
    Deadlift:440lbs

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    dam girl yo got some mighty numbers there..couple more hundred and im history.. ive done the AAPF and like ther sanction

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