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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Senior Member KarateBoy's Avatar
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    How much do squats REALLY help?

    Lets say someone goes on a bulk and they gained 10 lbs of lean muscle mass.

    The whole time he followed routine X, which did not include squats.

    His friend, decides to follow routine Y, which is practically identical to routine X but does include squats.

    Now, the squats are going to release more testosterone into the friend so in the same amount of time the friend should gain what? 10.1 lbs? 11lbs? 15 lbs?
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
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    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    You were close but its actually 10.11.

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    It's a compound lift. All that nonsense is irrelevant. Do squats.
    "The only easy day was yesterday."

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    Great. So the testosterone boost from squats is only a measely 1.1%?

    I'm sure it can vary from person to to person but on average?

    Why advocate squats so much if their effect on growth is borderline negligable?

    I'm not saying squats are bad, they used to be my favorite lift, but I'm curious. I do do squats but I believe no one should "just do something"
    Last edited by KarateBoy; 08-01-2006 at 10:53 PM.
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    Oh yea, if it was irrevalent, I wouldn't be asking and no one would be saying "they make the whole body grow"
    Last edited by KarateBoy; 08-01-2006 at 10:55 PM.
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    Great. So the testosterone boost from squats is only a measely 1.1%?

    I'm sure it can vary from person to to person but on average?

    Why advocate squats so much if their effect on growth is borderline negligable?

    I'm not saying squats are bad, they used to be my favorite lift, but I'm curious. I do do squats but I believe no one should "just do something"
    WOW.

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    Great. So the testosterone boost from squats is only a measely 1.1%?

    I'm sure it can vary from person to to person but on average?
    Dude...he was freaking joking.

    Their affect on growth is not negligible. Squats require many muscles to be worked during the movement and legs contain some of the largest muscles in the body. Squats are one of the big 3 compund movements for getting BIG.
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    haha I was just kidding, its 100% dependant on the person. These people are right; not doing squats is as important, if not more important than eating oatmeal at least 2 meals a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turnip
    haha I was just kidding, its 100% dependant on the person.

    I know, but that's what I was trying to get at.

    If it is 100% dependant on the person, I'm sure there are people out there do receive negligable gains from squatting.


    Anyone one of any studies done on this?
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sCaRz*Of*PaiN
    Dude...he was freaking joking.

    Their affect on growth is not negligible. Squats require many muscles to be worked during the movement and legs contain some of the largest muscles in the body. Squats are one of the big 3 compund movements for getting BIG.

    Can you put an number on what "not negligable" is?
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    No. It's different for every person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    I know, but that's what I was trying to get at.

    If it is 100% dependant on the person, I'm sure there are people out there do receive negligable gains from squatting.

    even with it being 100% dependant on the person, I seriously doubt some would receive neglible gains from squatting and dieting properly; some people just wouldn't see as good results...def. not neglible though
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    I'm just playing devil's advocate here but some people seriously doubt they'll get sick if they only take a tablet of vitamin C everyday.

    Opinions are nice but I'm looking for scientif proof.
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
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    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    Are you looking for scientific proof that squats make no difference so you can find a way out of doing them?

    I'm just finding it hard to understand why you would randomly be curious about this when probably everyone on this board and every serious bodybuilder/powerlifter would swear by squats...esp. since they are important enough to be one of the Big 3
    Last edited by KingWilder; 08-01-2006 at 11:11 PM.
    5'10", 170lbs, 10% bf

    Bench:255 Squat:295 Dead:400
    Snatch:145 C&J: 205
    Chin-Up: +135 Dip: +100
    Max Pull-Ups: 44

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    For scientific proof search Google.

    You're a fool to think otherwise though.

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    I think it is an important exercise because it works all those stabalizer muscles all at once, so its a total body harmony type thing. Dont think you could replicate that with leg press or any of those types of excersise. And I think the scientific proof is that almost every single successful body builder does them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingWilder
    Are you looking for scientific proof that squats make no difference so you can find a way out of doing them?
    No it would make sense, because what occurs in ONE person cannot be used as proof what happens in a species in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turnip
    I think it is an important exercise because it works all those stabalizer muscles all at once, so its a total body harmony type thing. Dont think you could replicate that with leg press or any of those types of excersise. And I think the scientific proof is that almost every single successful body builder does them.

    I don't doubt that they do stimulate growth. The question is to what extent.

    Was hoping to get a better response tha, varies from person to person.
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    No it would make sense, because what occurs in ONE person cannot be used as proof what happens in a species in general.

    okay so you agree that results are different in everyone...how do you expect to find scientific proof that squats have a huge impact...or not...if not everyone will react the same way?
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    They could have a huge impact.





    ...herniating a disc or vertebrae... **** I don't know the terminology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    Was hoping to get a better response tha, varies from person to person.
    Did you even bother to search?

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    Squats are considered important because they are one of the three big compound movements. Compound movements have been shown to trigger overall growth better than isolation movements, therefore squats are very important.....ya dig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidior
    Squats are considered important because they are one of the three big compound movements. Compound movements have been shown to trigger overall growth better than isolation movements, therefore squats are very important.....ya dig?
    I know what squats are and how they work.

    The whole point of this thread is qualitative measure not quantitative measure, ya dig?
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouPac
    Did you even bother to search?
    Yea, I do. If I had previously found the answer I wouldn't of made a thread because I knew there would be guys like you saying "Shut up and just squat"
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    I know what squats are and how they work.

    The whole point of this thread is qualitative measure not quantitative measure, ya dig?
    What the hell does that even mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingWilder
    okay so you agree that results are different in everyone...how do you expect to find scientific proof that squats have a huge impact...or not...if not everyone will react the same way?
    I said results taken from one control are not enough to prove the extent of the impact but even a variation in impact IS PROOF of the existance of the impact.
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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