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    Can you bulk and shred at the same time

    Is it possible to bulk in mass but also maintain a very healthy diet and do a decent amount of cardio to burn the fat so abs are visible?? By doing this, you sort of have the best of both worlds.

    What do you guys think? I want to hit like 200-205lbs at 10-12 % BF - 5-11" in height. I'm at 190lbs right now at 20% BF!! i've been trying to bulk for quite a while b/c my genetics are quite bad (very very skinny) but my body looks like total ass so I want to lose some fat but at the same time, not shrink in size (mass)

    thanks everyone

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    No.

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    there have been many threads on this.... use the search function.

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    Of course it's possible to put on muscle and stay lean it just takes a much longer time than guys like JConrad want.

    If you're really really skinny I wouldn't worry so much. Chances are you can increase your calories a lot and stay lean. Increasing calories is the only way you are going to put on muscle.

    The thing is you can increase calories substantially and still eat healthy. Just because you eat more doesn't mean you have to have fast food every day. I eat a ton of food everyday and my calories up around 5500 per day. I haven't been to a fast food place in like a year.

    The key is insulin manipulation.
    Four things: combine carbs with protein; combine fats with protein; never combine carbs with fat; never have carbs alone (always with protein).

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    Yes, it's not as hard as you think. Do some reading and some research. As with anything, learning how is easy. Applying it takes discipline.

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    I'm also looking for the same thing as the op; basically wanna increase muscle mass while slowly bringing down body fat %. This looks nigh on impossible to mine untutored eyes, maybe it has to be broken down into stages such as a very steady bulk then cut? Any suggestions/answers from the more experienced members of the boards would be gratefully recieved =)

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    Also, just discovered the term 'body recomposition'. I've basically been dieting since the age of 17, currently 20 with a body reminiscent of a fat kid. Would body recomposition involve lifting weights with my kcal intake @ base maintenance, getting my macros and not bulking?

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    Replies pls!

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    Why is it not recommended to mix fats and carbs?
    Complication breeds desperation.

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    Your body may use the carbs as a source of energy to store the fat.
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
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    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
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    Well here is a link of my 4 month progress. I put on about 10lbs and actually got more cut, yes.

    http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=80394

    Granted the size gains aren't much, but they are noticeable. Just maybe a small example of what you are going for, I'm not sure though. Honestly I have been putting on muscle and getting in better shape as I do it, but it just really takes a long ass time. I hope you are ready to pray for maybe a lbs a month if you want to get cut and big at the same time.
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    Hehe, you've definitely made progress there mate, looking good. How did you achieve it?

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    To be fair to the OP, using the search function is useless on this, as nobody has ever put it in simple english how you can put on muscle whilst not putting on fat. As far as I know, that is impossible, due to the way the body works.

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    I think it is possible, just don't expect immediate results :P I kinda reckon that a macro intake of 40% protein/30%carbs/30% fat on a maintenance +250kcal a day slow bulk during WBB1 would be a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    Your body may use the carbs as a source of energy to store the fat.
    But if your under maintenacne that shouldnt be a prob right? And only time I ever mix a decent amount of carbs and fat is in the morning.
    Complication breeds desperation.

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    Well, it means you're not losing fat, which is a bad thing if fat loss is what you are aiming for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Con
    But if your under maintenacne that shouldnt be a prob right? And only time I ever mix a decent amount of carbs and fat is in the morning.

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    You can gain muscle without gaining extra fat, but it takes a long time to gain the muscle this way, and it requires a lot of calorie counting because as your muscle increases so does your calorie maintenance level.
    From reading the OP, it seemed to me that he was asking if its possible to increase muscle while descreasing fat at the same time, which (except for newbies) is impossible, which is why I said no.

    Muscle gain = calories above maintenance
    Fat loss = calories below maintenance.

    If anyone knows how you can be on these two different diets at the same time, please share.
    Last edited by JConrad; 08-07-2006 at 09:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steele
    Well, it means you're not losing fat, which is a bad thing if fat loss is what you are aiming for.

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    So you are sayin that on my 3 off days when I have a piece of fruit, or a few vegetables with my eggs in the mornin is gonna stop fatt loss but i will continue with weight loss?
    Complication breeds desperation.

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    here's my personal experience with cutting and bulking simultaneously, i lost 90 pounds from 2005 -2006, and put on some serious mass i hadn't had before. I did it in a taboo way though, i worked out 2-3 hrs daily, taking the occasional day off, and ate basically only protein, having a shake that had like 50 grams every few hours ( 6 meals daily). so i overtrained, and starved myself, i know you are supposed to have to eat like a mofo to gain mass but i gained lbm, and lost fat.

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    I'm not saying anything mate, just try to avoid meals that are heavy in fat and carbs. Here's a link to the article -

    http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=179

    Check it out and come to your own conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Con
    So you are sayin that on my 3 off days when I have a piece of fruit, or a few vegetables with my eggs in the mornin is gonna stop fatt loss but i will continue with weight loss?

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    nice read, will definately change up my meals now, thanks steele.
    Complication breeds desperation.

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    No worries matey, there are some awsome articles to be found here =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Con
    nice read, will definately change up my meals now, thanks steele.

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    Meal timing is a HUGE part of this.
    Max Lifts:------------------ Goals
    Bench Press: 215lbs------- 250lbs
    Squat:300lbs------------ 300 lbs
    Deadlift: 335------------ 350 lbs
    ----------------------
    Total: 850lbs ---------- 900 lbs

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    In what respect? Macro partitioning or the boosted metabolism theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    Meal timing is a HUGE part of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steele
    I think it is possible, just don't expect immediate results :P I kinda reckon that a macro intake of 40% protein/30%carbs/30% fat on a maintenance +250kcal a day slow bulk during WBB1 would be a winner.

    -Steele
    The ratio approach is pretty crude. Your body cannot do math. Instead, target protein and fat as dosings according to LBM.

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