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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    USAPL and Equipment

    Does anybody know if the USAPL is a raw federation or not? I looked in their rulebook but didn't see anything at first glance. The reason I'm asking is that I've been looking at the NC Junior PLing records for my weight class and was trying to figure out if they were equipped or not. I've got 4yrs to break them, and I'm confident I will, but was just wondering if I would be shooting for all raw lifting or not.

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    The USAPL allows single ply equipment for all 3 lifts. They also allow knee wraps, wrist wraps and belts. They have a bit stricter rules as far as how you can squat and bench. No real way of making the deadlift any tougher than it already is.

    They don't use a monolift for squatting. You have to walk it out, lock your knees before starting and completely lock your knees out at the top, on top of making sure you hit a very very low depth.

    The bench, you can't bench below your diaphragm or lower part of the sternum. No belly benching, essentially. They still pause just about as long as anybody else. You have wait for the press command.

    I think that's all the major points.
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    There is no press command in the usapl
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    Oh. My bad. Learn something new everyday.
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    We'll let it slide this time.
    Last edited by Paul Stagg; 08-16-2006 at 02:59 PM.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    Does the USAPL also require your feet to be flat on the ground for benching?

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    Yea and if you show any signs of strain or if sweat drips off of you, you get red-lighted.


    I hate their bench rules. They don't tell you to press, which is absurd. The fact thaat your feet have to be flat is ridiculous as well. I lifted my head once while benching in state-level USAPL meet and was red-lighted. That's just wrong.

    As for the squats, I hope you're flexible.
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    Also, be prepared to hold your deadlift at the top for about 2 minutes, and if you speak at all during the meet you're banned for 1 year.

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    I think I'll be avoiding this federation like the plague when I start competing.
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    Well damn. I suppose my form and technique will just have to be THAT good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock
    Well damn. I suppose my form and technique will just have to be THAT good.
    I'm sure you'd do fine.

    There does seem to be an air of superiority about USAPL for some reason.... I don't know why that is, but it's probably because there is the IPF and being the only fed in the US that has a legitimate "World Championship" event.... That's not to say anything negative at all about anyone affiliated with USAPL because I've met many IPF lifters who were some of the best people ever.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Lift where you are happy lifting.

    I like that the USAPL has strict performance standards, although I do wish they had a 'Press' command. I have no problem with requiring your feet be flat. The holier than thou attitude is a turnoff... I'd be much happier if we could just encourage people to get strong and show it, and keep in mind there are differences in performance standards when comparing lifts across federations.

    I'm just as happy to see a 1100 APF squat as I am to see an 850 USAPL squat - they are different lifts, but both impressive.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Stagg
    Lift where you are happy lifting.

    I like that the USAPL has strict performance standards, although I do wish they had a 'Press' command. I have no problem with requiring your feet be flat. The holier than thou attitude is a turnoff... I'd be much happier if we could just encourage people to get strong and show it, and keep in mind there are differences in performance standards when comparing lifts across federations.

    I'm just as happy to see a 1100 APF squat as I am to see an 850 USAPL squat - they are different lifts, but both impressive.
    My sentiments exactly. Good post.
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    Gaglione Strength Chris Rodgers's Avatar
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    Paul, I agree with that as well.


    I have just personally seen lifts turned down in the USAPL(done by people I never met) that just should not be turned down. It just bothers me.

    The USAPL and IPF have some of the most talented lifters in the world competing in them though.
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    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
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    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
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    It's going to happen... just like there are lifts that do get passed that shouldn't
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    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    USAPL is just IPF rules is it not? Similar to the Canadian Powerlifting Union. I also like it since the form is pretty strict. Some feds that allow everything except the spotters pulling the weight off you as an advantage, I don't see as enticing. But that's just me.

    I'd rather err on the strict side than the loose side. It makes the totals a little bit more consistently comparable across the board.

    I've been out of it for awhile, but from what I remember, there was some serious debate on bringing back the "press" command. From what I remember of the process though, it's a big pain in the arse to get any IPF rules changed.
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