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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    There are now more overweight/obese people in the world than starving people...

    The number is at 1 billion currently and rising at an epic scale. I can't find an article, but this is what they said on the news today. tuttut

    A sixth of the world is either overweight or obese. *sigh*


    Edit: Found an article:

    More fat people in world than there are starving, study finds

    FAT people now out-number the world's starving, a nutrition study has found.

    While 800 million still go to bed hungry every night, another 1.3 billion have a body mass index that makes them either overweight or obese, says Barry Popkin, of the Department of Nutrition and Economics at the University of North Carolina.

    Professor Popkin has followed the lives of 16,000 people in China since 1989, watching how social and economic changes have affected their diet and health.

    "In China in 1989 there were no overweight people," he told the Herald yesterday, before addressing 900 economists on the Gold Coast. "Now, about 25 per cent are overweight or obese."

    Similar patterns were appearing in most of Asia, most of urban Africa and the Middle East. "In the developing world it has clearly been a phenomenon of the last 15 years."

    Professor Popkin told the International Association of Agricultural Economists that China's changing diet was following "a classic Westernisation pattern".

    In the past 20 years consumption of cereals had "decreased considerably", while energy obtained by eating fat had more than doubled.

    China's lifestyle had become more sedentary, with 14 per cent of homes acquiring a motor vehicle between 1989 and 1997, and 97 per cent now having television. "In one study we showed the odds of being obese were 80 per cent higher for men and women in households which owned a motorised vehicle."

    While obesity was afflicting both developed and developing countries, there were key differences.

    Professor Popkin blamed an explosion in the consumption of high-calorie, sweetened beverages - "soft drinks and fruit drinks" - for much of the obesity in the United States and Australia in the past two decades. "When you consume them you do not reduce your intake of food."

    But he said China's epidemic was powered by a spectacular growth in the consumption of animal foods. "Beef, pork in particular, and poultry - they have tripled in the last 12 years."

    Meat production had been matched by the rising use of cheap vegetable oils. Another problem was the arrival of Western-style food advertising.

    Professor Popkin advocated taxation, pricing and tough advertising controls, not education, as the weapons to fight global obesity.

    "Telling people to eat better and be more active won't work - education can't do it," he said, adding that the example for success had been set by the battle against smoking.

    "We cut smoking [by] two-thirds by taxing cigarettes and increasing the price. With a calorie tax, say five cents for every added gram of sugar, you would cut consumption [of sweetened drinks] in half."
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    Yet people seem to think democracy is a good idea. Most people can't even govern their own bodies, let alone a country.

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    Its everyones fault. Consumers and compainies. I ate two double quarter pounder sandwhichs today (I'm bulking of course) and they tasted great. The thing is, I only have them every two weeks or so.

    Everythings in moderation. When you eat bad food all the time, your going to get big.
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    If only they didn't use the BMI as the basis of their study...

    How come no one ever uses bodyfat %?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordanbcool
    Everythings in moderation. When you eat bad food all the time, your going to get big.
    You can eat good food all the time and get big. You can get morbidly obese eating healthy foods if you're consuming more calories than you're expending on a consistent basis.

    It is a lack of knowledge and how to apply that knowledge, laziness, or a lot of different variables. It's not just one thing. Some people just REALLY like food, but I could never allow myself to become like 99% of my family and friends...all overweight with a complete lack of discipline and willpower to do a damn thing about it, yet they complain all the time and still do nothing. I blame the media, magazines, food companies, etc... But the companies aren't the only ones to blame.


    Quote Originally Posted by d'Anconia
    If only they didn't use the BMI as the basis of their study...

    How come no one ever uses bodyfat %?
    The BMI works fine for average people. But it can be very inaccurate for athletes/weightlifters who have lean body mass that increases their weight.
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    I dont really have a problem with fat people as long as they try. My own mother complains about being fat but every time i propose a diet (even if its very moderate) she throws up her hands and tells me she wont hear any of my "meathead nonesense". I love her but I wish she'd atleast make an attempt. My grandfathers the same way. He could easily add on another decade to his life but since he eats so poorly he will probably die soon at only 60.....actually now that I think about it, most of my family is morbidly obese.tuttut
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    Yeah I don't mind fat people as long as they aren't complaining to me about it while they don't attempt to fix the problem.

    What I DO mind is how they can screw with our healthcare system.
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    The airline things really pisses me off. If your that god damned fat that you take up two seats then you should buy two tickets. Dont cram me next to your fatass because you refuse to buy both tickets. You spend enough on food, spend that much more so you dont make ME uncomfortable
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    I would rather be fat then hungry...

    To stay on topic,

    I have no problem with poeple that are a little overweight, my problem is with the true fat asses that are 100-200 lbs over weigth, there is NO reason (genetic or not) to ever let yourself get that way.

    nd I agree with Jordan, just because your a fat ass doesn't mean you have the right to ruin my flight/bus ride.

    Unfortunately, writing this on a bodybuilding / health forums shows that I'm a little one sided...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Zach
    Yet people seem to think democracy is a good idea. Most people can't even govern their own bodies, let alone a country.
    Totalitarianism and dictatorships for everyone!

    OT: That's a really frightening statistic. I've actually had success in changing my parents' diets for the better. My dad went from a 40" waist to 34". He's also become a gym junkie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d'Anconia
    Yeah I don't mind fat people as long as they aren't complaining to me about it while they don't attempt to fix the problem.
    Even worse is when they make cracks about healthy eating habits and think they know what is good and not good for you.

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    Feed the hyper-obese to the chronically malnourished? Just not the braaaaaaaaiins.

    OT: We all know that proper nutrition in todays world is hard to come by: How many of even the cleanest eaters on here have to take a multivitamin? It's easy, and largely true, to blame a person's weight solely on themselves... but I feel that the food service industry and economy isn't helping any.

    Naturally if you eat a whole bag of oreos and a full tub of ice cream you deserve what you get. If you're buying the cheapest chicken burgers you can afford (highly processed, mixed with soy filler and covered in high fat batter) because organically grown chicken breasts for a family of five multiple times a week takes your entire grocery budget I'm not so sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockBoxer
    Feed the hyper-obese to the chronically malnourished? Just not the braaaaaaaaiins.
    The Sally Struthers Solution (SSS)?
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    BMI and the huge varaition in BMR are two big reasons to account for the overweight/obese population.

    Espically BMR, Im a nearly 6ft tall 300lb man and I maintain on what some little 150 pound girls do. Its not an excuse, the reason I havent/dont do anything about it is because im lazy, but for all the 180lb jerks out there that complain they can't gain weight eating 3500-4000 cals a day theres twice as many people like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBBIRL
    Espically BMR, Im a nearly 6ft tall 300lb man and I maintain on what some little 150 pound girls do. Its not an excuse, the reason I havent/dont do anything about it is because im lazy, but for all the 180lb jerks out there that complain they can't gain weight eating 3500-4000 cals a day theres twice as many people like me.
    Are you doing the 6 small meals per day, whole foods, complex carbs, lean protein, workout 4x/week, cardio on days off, etc? I'm just curious.
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    My wife and I were talking about this the last time we went to Walmart. Nearly every person we saw was overweight. It's a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Halt
    My wife and I were talking about this the last time we went to Walmart. Nearly every person we saw was overweight. It's a shame.
    And they all wear stretch pants!

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    Yeah we were about the only ones not wearing the Sam's Choice sweat pants.
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    My mom lifts and is following a diet that she set up using my advice. She is down 16lbs.

    She bought a scale that you put in the food and it tells you the calories. She figured out that she cuts on about 1100-1200 cals. She will be taking a break soon and will then figure out her maintenance. I kow it's a bit backwards but her motivation was to lose weight so we skipped the phase of determing the baseline diet.

    She suffers from Chronic Fatituge, Narcilepsy and Fibromyalgia so all in all she has really done some good for herself since she started training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WBBIRL
    BMI and the huge varaition in BMR are two big reasons to account for the overweight/obese population.

    Espically BMR, Im a nearly 6ft tall 300lb man and I maintain on what some little 150 pound girls do. Its not an excuse, the reason I havent/dont do anything about it is because im lazy, but for all the 180lb jerks out there that complain they can't gain weight eating 3500-4000 cals a day theres twice as many people like me.
    No offense but I suspect you have never tracked cals accurately. Start using fitday religiously and you will see results.

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    The Holto has spoken!

    Im trying to cut on 1500 a day, and i feel kinda sick, and really hungry, all day long.

    And even one of the snacks that I really want to eat a day can throw my macros and calories way out of wack.

    This is not easy, at all.... I've never been lean my entire life until now. I'm the type that puts on weight (muscle or fat) very fast, but can't lose it for crap. No excuses, just do it.
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    Zeek, why are you cutting on so few cals? What's your maintenance? My current cut is happening at a slowish pace but it's very easy on my psyche and body. I'm not a fan of aggressive cutting or gaining. A notch or two up or down from maintenance is fine, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WBBIRL
    BMI and the huge varaition in BMR are two big reasons to account for the overweight/obese population.

    Espically BMR, Im a nearly 6ft tall 300lb man and I maintain on what some little 150 pound girls do. Its not an excuse, the reason I havent/dont do anything about it is because im lazy, but for all the 180lb jerks out there that complain they can't gain weight eating 3500-4000 cals a day theres twice as many people like me.
    Yes, definately. It is well documented that among concentration camps during WWII, that many, many obese prisoners simply could not lose weight despite extremely restricted caloric intake...

    ....Just to be clear, I wasn't serious and I'm sorry if anyone finds it offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Zach
    Yet people seem to think democracy is a good idea. Most people can't even govern their own bodies, let alone a country.
    Wow go to China and see how you like it, I assume you think Communism is great too?
    One of the dumbest things ive ever herd on this forum
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    Actually I'm a *bit* with Zach on this one. Democracy where the majority is able to make decisions causes an alienation of the minority. In fact even in our democracy we have certain things that the Democracy can not easily override (ie Constitution and Amendments).
    Just about every time a law is made a freedom/liberty of some sort is thrown out the window. It wouldn't be such a problem if there were some process actively abolishing laws but to be honest this process really doesn't exist.

    Let's all be honest here: while most of us have a good grasp on politics, your average person in the US has no ****ing idea how the government and politics work. Your average American citizen has nothing even close to what could be called "integrity"... these people just plain don't think about their stances on issues and have no idea what kind of principles this country was founded on (I keep hearing about this "bridge" between church and state *rolls eyes*).
    IMO we just need to hold the constitution and the principles this naiton was based on to a higher esteem. Most of our founding fathers would be rolling in their graves to see the breach of freedoms that go on these days.
    I just don't think that congress should be making so many laws for each little issue... that is all.
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