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    Wannabebig New Member
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    Hammer Strength Wide Chest vs Bench Press

    I went down to the gym yesterday and I saw the decline press machine was open so I started my chest workout on it.. a typical session feels like it always does, so I did my 3 sets and moved on. Normally I'd move from there to the HS Iso Lateral Bench Machine, but it was taken, so I went over to the Wide chest Machine instead, I lodaded it up and did a few reps, it felt light so I started to load more, did a couple more reps and threw on some more weight.

    Here's the odd thing about this situation, I ended up packing 320 lb on the machine before I finally lifted to failure, after 4 reps. On the Bench machine I max out at about 250lb. Is there realy that much difference in the leverage of these two machines that it maxes for a 70lb differential?

    I highly doubt I added 70lb to my bench in a week, anyone have any insights to add here?

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    They are totally different lifts, and can not be compared.
    Squats work better than supplements.
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    yeah the lifts are alot different, i can pump out sets of 270 on the machines easily but i can only flat bench like 270 3 times.
    2000 or bust

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    I could move 3+pps on the HS decline press when I was only bench pressing 185 or so. Haven't used the pressing machines for a long while. They definately didn't help my bench strength.

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    I can chest press on the machine just over HALF what I bench free weight...
    Last edited by ShockBoxer; 08-17-2006 at 08:29 AM.
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    Age: 34, Height: 5'4, Weight: 185, BF: somewhere between 15 and 45%

    Weightlifting Start Date: July 26, 2005 - Bench 95 x 6, Dead 110 x 8, Smith Squat 180 x 8
    Bests: Bench 185 x 8, Dead 400 x 1, Zercher Squat 295 x 3


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    Then, would you guys use this? It's made by Powertec Fitness. Is it worth it?
    http://www.powertecfitness.com/workbench_multi_sysn.htm
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    Not unless I already bought at least $1200 or more worth of a good Olympic weight set - at least 500 lbs of weights, some DBs of various sizes, some kettlebells, a pullup bar, a Squat/Power Rack, etc.. etc..

    And had another $1200 to burn on this machine..

    Free weights are much better..
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    I can honestly say I've never used a chest press machine, and I'm darn proud of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan
    I can honestly say I've never used a chest press machine, and I'm darn proud of that.
    Before I started using freeweights I'd hit every machine in the club twice for 6-8 reps then head upstairs and gasp my way through forty minutes on an eliptical with a heart rate in the 170s.

    All it earned me was a starting bench of 95 mighty pounds and a herculean starting deadlift of 110.
    The Reconstruction Project (Journal)

    Age: 34, Height: 5'4, Weight: 185, BF: somewhere between 15 and 45%

    Weightlifting Start Date: July 26, 2005 - Bench 95 x 6, Dead 110 x 8, Smith Squat 180 x 8
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockBoxer
    Before I started using freeweights I'd hit every machine in the club twice for 6-8 reps then head upstairs and gasp my way through forty minutes on an eliptical with a heart rate in the 170s.

    All it earned me was a starting bench of 95 mighty pounds and a herculean starting deadlift of 110.
    Well, I started out with free weights, but I was doing too much running and not eating nearly enough calories in an attempt to just "lose weight". So I went from 215lbs of flab to 185 lbs of flab in a matter of 3-4 months before I learned what I was doing wrong.

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    thanks for all your replies!

    I had a feeling that they were very different lifts, but I wonder why HS didn't get the leverage of the machine to simulate the weight of it's free weight cousin.

    Anyway, the main reason I use the macines for my chest workout is that I don't want to kill myself with a really heavy bar and I don't have a regular spotter I can trust. So, I hit the machines. (I've added about 25lb to my bench this month using the BP, incline and decline press machines).

    Thanks again for your opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cresquin
    I had a feeling that they were very different lifts, but I wonder why HS didn't get the leverage of the machine to simulate the weight of it's free weight cousin.
    Because it's impossible.

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