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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    How to safely perform speed bench ?

    Okay do you pause at the bottom ? Do you stop short of ROM (at the top?) What I mean is ending up hyper extending the elbows at the top fo the movement.

    Another thing is letting the weight drop down on your chest (but in a controlled manner) but then quickly pushing the weight back up. Wouldn't that put some kind of negative pressure on your elbow joints (not sure about shoulders) ?

    Shouldn't there still be a pause at the bottom of the movement ?

    Also, if my upper back (and my head) is coming off the bench does that mean I'm using a too light weight ?

    Same question about the dynamic squats, except differently...
    Last edited by SkinnySadMan; 09-02-2006 at 12:27 AM.
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    Do not pause on dynamic bench. THe weight should be under control at all times. If you aren't doing some kind of bicep work (rows/pullups) your elbows will feel the effects. If your back is coming off the bench, you're not tight enough. Get tighter and control the weight.

    Box squats are different. You should pause on the box and then explode up.

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    Well hell I've been doing these wrong the whole freaking time.
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    I don't really see why anyone would want to do speed anything when they lift. Its all about the control to me.

    just my .02

    -josh

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    Lift 800 lbs slow. Lift it fast. Let us know what feels better.

    Speed doesn't mean you don't have control. If you lose control, you're screwing up and need to rework your form and/or change the weight. Speed training is very important for power and olympic lifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by af92
    I don't really see why anyone would want to do speed anything when they lift. Its all about the control to me.

    just my .02

    -josh
    .02 that should never be wasted in a powerlifting forum.

    Now, try to bench fast AND under control. Betcha can't

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew
    .02 that should never be wasted in a powerlifting forum.

    Now, try to bench fast AND under control. Betcha can't


    Haha be nice Drew. You're going to hurt his feelings lol.

    Fuck, fight, or hold the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew
    .02 that should never be wasted in a powerlifting forum.

    Now, try to bench fast AND under control. Betcha can't
    Pffft. I like to my cleans to take 15 seconds each. Time under tension R0x0rzzz!!!

    Smart people: clarify dynamic lifting tempo for me!
    What do folks usually do? Is it usually 20X1? 10X1, 11X1, or what??

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    Quote Originally Posted by af92
    I don't really see why anyone would want to do speed anything when they lift. Its all about the control to me.

    just my .02

    -josh

    speed X strength = power.

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    3 reps in 3 seconds, I almost bounce the bar myself. I do not like the feeling of the bar hitting me in the chest so something I have done that really speeds up my bench and gives me support is I do my speed work off a small 1/2 inch thick pine board. I took it out of the box of broken karate boards it works perfect. I get awesome speed and the board absorbs the bar but I let it sink in and then blast it so I get a full range move.

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    Why is it that pausing is frowned about while speed benching?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidior
    Why is it that pausing is frowned about while speed benching?
    I'm wondering the same thing, especially since you have to pause on the bench in most federations. You wouldn't be able to use the bounce to any kind of advantage when competing so why train a DE day with a bounce?
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    The quick reversal is training the muscles to be explosive. Training with a pause on the bench is counterproductive.

    I did speed bench with a pause for almost a year and made NO progress. When I started watching Westside and EFS videos, I learned how to do it properly and my bench is cruising now.

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    I do 8 sets of 3 reps and for bench press, I rest for 20-30 seconds. For the speed deadlifts, I do 1 minute rests, same with squats.

    I am afraid of doing speed bench and squats not since my lower back is starting to (I think) give out on me. Perhaps some of you guys had already seen those threads about it.
    Last edited by SkinnySadMan; 09-07-2006 at 10:18 PM.
    5'7 425 lbs. 85% bodyfat Need to gain 20-40 lbs.

    New journal - http://wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=86957 Boring I know, but whatever.

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