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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Deadlifts..lower back only or whole back?

    Hey guys,

    I got a question regarding deadlifts. Now, I'm been searching teh web, and looking for pictures on how to do a deadlift correctly. Everyplace i've seen mentions deadlifts as a exercise for the lower back, but it seems you guys are saying you can train the whole back as well. Can you explain that? know any sites where i can read up on it?

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    DEADLIFTS ARE A FRIGGIN POSTERIOR CHAIN EXERCISE!

    Glutes, hams, quads, and spinal erectors are all I would specifically use them for. Many say they build huge traps.... go ahead, but shrugs would be better.
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    people say they are a good total back exercise b/c you are basicaly whiped out after doing them, and are really sore the next day. Personally, my whole back is sore after doing them. But as DaChickenShowYo said, don't do them specificaly for your upper back and lats. Some only work their traps with deadlifts but i believe to directly target them, you should do shrugs. That part is all about experimenting.

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    So you are saying they don't hit your traps hard?? Or your hips for that matter??
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    me latman??
    heck no......they still fry my traps an hips.
    I was just saying that I prefer shrugs to directly target me traps. But also that some things work differently for certain people.

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    Originally posted by DaChickenShowYo
    DEADLIFTS ARE A FRIGGIN POSTERIOR CHAIN EXERCISE!
    I would pay good money to hear that said as passionately in a real life argument.
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    I didn't do conventional deadlifts for several months. I've concentrated on squats combined with sldl's or cleans. The squats gave not only my quads, glutes and hams but also my back a very good workout. I usually finished my leg workout with a couple of sets of sldl's which fried my glutes and hams.

    Yesterday I did a workout with a couple of SLDL's and then followed by 3 singles of conventional DL's. I was actually stronger on the singles now even after the SLDL's. And today my spinal erectors are really sore in a good way.

    Even though doing only squats has been very beneficial also for overall strength in my back, I must say that after doing the DL's and noticing the difference in how it hit my back, I now will incorporate them in my workout a couple of times per month as they seem to give my erectors a very different workout, probably because of the amount of weigth you can use on them. Simply holding on to the bar gives your whole back/rear a great workout.
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    Entire back, or the entire body for that matter.

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    when i dead my hams and glutes are not that involved. But I do not bend my legs much. its maninly my lower back and traps that get worked. but as for soreness I also row and do pull ups as well, so my total back is sore. I would do all 3 exercise in your back routine.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    I think, like many other compound exercises, it depends a lot on the person and their body composition...

    For me deads don't affect my glutes and hams that much, but instead they have done wonders for my spinal erectors and traps(although I'm giving shrugs a try).

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    Originally posted by Davor
    check dis out ~

    http://www.theministryoffitness.com/...s/deadlift.htm

    Cool site. Even shows how you can do incline bench presses to work your upper pecs.

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    Originally posted by syntekz
    I think, like many other compound exercises, it depends a lot on the person and their body composition...

    For me deads don't affect my glutes and hams that much, but instead they have done wonders for my spinal erectors and traps(although I'm giving shrugs a try).
    Deads use glutes and hams to move the weight. It would be impossible for them not to 'affect' your glutes and hams.
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    Originally posted by DaChickenShowYo


    Deads use glutes and hams to move the weight. It would be impossible for them not to 'affect' your glutes and hams.
    they do move but the glutes and hams have a small ROM. it would be like me doing 1/4 squats. i f i were to take my legs throught the same ROM in a squat motion. then I would add more weight then I dead with.
    you may dead with your quads touching your calf. me and syntek do not.
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    Originally posted by DaChickenShowYo
    Deads use glutes and hams to move the weight. It would be impossible for them not to 'affect' your glutes and hams.

    Pick at my words?

    I never said that glutes and hams weren't part of the movement.

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    Originally posted by body


    they do move but the glutes and hams have a small ROM. it would be like me doing 1/4 squats. i f i were to take my legs throught the same ROM in a squat motion. then I would add more weight then I dead with.
    you may dead with your quads touching your calf. me and syntek do not.
    Even if you don't, the muscles moving the weight are still glutes, hams, and quads. Your back does nothing but stabilize assuming you use good form. A maximal 1/4 squat will still maximally fatigue the muscles stressed in that part of the movement, a 1/4th squat is hardly comparable to a full deadlift anyways.
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    Slim- I was talkin to the chickenbiatch.


    I actually agree that deads hammer my hams and glutes/hips. I don't see how you guys are performing them where this doesn't come into play. I'm definitely assuming you both do conventional and not sumo.
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    Biatch, sumos = more quads/glutes stressed.

    *usually*
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    Originally posted by DaChickenShowYo
    Biatch, sumos = more quads/glutes stressed.

    *usually*
    Since when? I DL sumo, and it doesn't even touch my quads.

    I feel it in my back and glutes, then hams. Quads don't even come into play.
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    I feel the same Power. I get minimal quad stimulation from them.



    I guess that's why Chicken hurt himself. Poor form.
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    Well, *usually* when doing a sumo deadlifts the back starts more erect and closer to being horizontal with the floor than in conventionals. This leads to less ham ROM and the hams don't have to pull up the upperbody as far as in conventionals. I can see your point with quads, with me sumos are a matter of straightening the legs more than pulling up the body, which potentially would involve more quads, but then again looking at the ROM glutes would be involved over quads and its a short ROM for quads anyways.
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    Its fun to throw science at people who haven't hurt themselves and chronically outlift you, isn't it?
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    Originally posted by PowerManDL
    Its fun to throw science at people who haven't hurt themselves and chronically outlift you, isn't it?

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    Hope you're proud of 'chronically' outlifting a 15 year old youngun.

    I have seen no science being flung, and I have no science on this issue to fling either, so instead I will fling poo.

    *flings poo
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    Had to give you something to play with-- you seemed bored.

    Good thing you're predictable like that.

    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    Y2A 47: youre smooth as hell
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