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    Why can't I put on weight?

    Hey guys, I'm a 21 year old male living in Australia. I currently weigh 55kgs, am 183cm tall (almost exactly 6 foot), and cannot gain weight if my life depended on it. To list quickly what I've done;

    - I do a 4 day split lifting heavy ~6 reps. Exact routine is on the url below.
    http://org.ntnu.no/styrke/program/cc.htm
    - I squat.
    - I deadlift.
    - I consume massive amounts of whey powder, in the morning, pre, post workout and before bed.
    - I eat everything in sight, my diet is generally good, lots of protein, but I'll eat junk too if offered.
    - I eat frequently, trying to get at least 5 meals into me per day.
    - I have access to both creatine and glutamine, have used both in the past, but not recently.
    - I max out on every set.
    - I stick it out; I've been doing that routine for about 2 months, mixing it up a bit so as to shock my body a bit.


    Obviously I'm an extreme ectomorph, and I never expected to pack the pounds on, but it is frustrating to put all this effort into it my workout and still see few results. Over the summer I manage to reach 62kg, but then a eyesight problem* kept me out of the gym for a while and I dropped back down to 55kg. Now for all my effort I cannot gain it back. So my question is; what am I doing wrong? Could there be a medical reason? I vaguely remember reading about some guy who had a hyper-active thyriod or something, and without medication he could not put on weight. Any advice or help would be great, I'm getting almost desperate.

    Thanks.

    * Chronic headaches and fatigue caused by a very slight short sightedness. Not enough for me to really notice, but my brain was working extra hard constantly trying to focus, and it took a while to work it out.

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    Calorie dense foods, although you prolly know that already

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    You're not eating enough.

    Read this: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=78823
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    you gotta eat more
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    I agree with McVein

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    you should focus more on carbs and fats instead of protein, these are what puts weight on

    if i were you, id eat high carb meals, eat deserts an junk food often, an literally double the amount of calories i consume - your metabolism is far from normal, its no use eating more than normal, you have to eat MUCH more than normal

    also make sure to take vit / min tablets an drink lots of water

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaVvY
    you should focus more on carbs instead of JUSYT protein, these are what puts weight on
    We're both ectomorphs are eating fats is borderline worthless in regards to usable energy

    300+ grams of glow GI carbs (wheat bread, bagels, oatmeal, etc..) 100 grams of simplier sugars (50 in the morning and 50 after lifting)

    ~250-300 grams of protein

    100 grams of fats. The less saturated the better.

    Don't eat deserts and junk food often as they ARE CALLED JUNK FOOD FOR A REASON. Instead of JUNK food eat right.

    I'm not argueing against drinking water, but your body creates water everytime it creates an ATP molecule via the electron transport chain
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    The Ten Commandments To Becoming A Significant Mass Monster


    When it comes to the task of packing on muscle mass, the term “analysis paralysis” comes to mind. To be blunt, many people just make it more complicated than it really has to be. That’s not to say that adding any amount of significant muscle mass is an easy task. On the contrary, if it were easy, we would have a bunch of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s and Dave Tates walking around instead of all these “weenie girly men” who wear Under Armor to the mall in an attempt to impress the local 18 year-old girls. Needless to say, I think many tend to over think things when it comes to packing on those slabs of man meat (or woman meat; I don’t want to leave out the ladies). Many will debate and discuss every minute detail regarding what the optimal macro-nutrient breakdown should be and what new and advanced training program they will be following; in reality, all they really need to do is stick with the basics that have been proven to work for decades. In the realm of training and nutrition, nothing is really new or revolutionary, and many would be well served to just shut up and get down to business.


    Come Hither, My Disciples

    Wouldn’t it be cool to have your own personal time machine? Just imagine if you had access to one and the things you could do with it! If I had one, there are several key missions I would do with it. First, I would most certainly use it for purely selfish reasons. I would go back and tell myself not to throw that 0-2 curve-ball to the jerk that hit the 450-foot home run off me in my first college start with five professional scouts watching in the stands. I would become best friends with Bill Gates. And, heck, I might as well throw in a chance encounter with Mariah Carey (circa 1995, before she turned into a hooch). Last, but not least, I would have to say that the main thing I would use it for is to go back and kick my own ass for wasting years with my training and eating habits.
    I look back at my training and eating habits from when I was in school, and I have to cringe in embarrassment. Yep, you guessed it; I did three sets of ten for everything, hitting body parts once per week while not eating nearly enough calories. Sound like anyone YOU know? I trained this way for years, and while I made decent progress and was better off than most guys, I still wasn’t entirely satisfied. It wasn’t until I started looking past most (not all) mainstream magazines and the typical foo-foo weight room banter, and started reading and educating myself on the more “old school” principles (as well as the more recent research) that I started to make the gains that I had always coveted. To say “I wish I knew then what I know now” would be an understatement of epic proportions. With that being said, I think another important mission I would undertake with my time machine would be to go back and play God, and instead of telling Moses to write the Ten Commandments as we all know them, I would have him write “The Ten Commandments To Becoming A Magnificent Mass Monster.” Oh, and since I would be taking on the role of God, I would also make a point of ensuring that George Lucas never made those last two pieces of crap he calls Star Wars.


    The 10 Commandments (As They Should to Have Been Written)

    1. Thou Shalt Use Compound Movements

    These are the movements that should make up the bulk (I’d say ~ 80%) of any program you follow - PERIOD. To get big, you have to do movements that will make you big. So, it is high time that you do away with those isolation biceps curls and leg extensions, Peggy Sue, and start doing some dead lifts, squats, bench presses, dips, pull-ups, good mornings, and rows. These are the movements that will allow you to use the greatest amount of weight and promote a MUCH greater growth stimulus in the muscle cells. Think about it; what do you think it going to elicit a greater growth stimulus - a set of leg curls using 120 lbs. or a set of dead lifts using 300 lbs.? Not only that, but doing the compound movements (in conjunction with doing them HEAVY) will automatically activate high threshold motor units, which have the greatest potential for growth, and since these movements target the largest muscle groups in the body (thighs, hamstrings, mid/upper back, chest), you will be getting bigger in the right places. And let’s not forget strength. As I noted, compound movements will allow you to use more weight and I always stress that one cannot get bigger without getting stronger first. Ever seen a really small strong person? So, implementing these movements to get stronger now will undoubtedly lead to more significant hypertrophy gains in the future.

    As an aside, I would also like to mention that these compound movements should also be used when one is trying to “lean up.” And yes, ladies, you need to pay attention to this, as I know there are some out there reading this thinking to themselves, “Well, I don’t want to get big and bulky.” Joel Marion wrote a very good article on this topic in Lean, Sexy, and Hard I and II, so I won’t go into great detail here. However, I will say that by doing the compound lifts, you will be using multiple muscle groups as opposed to ONE when doing isolation movements (think Cybex Circuit). Which do you think will burn more calories and provide a greater caloric deficit to promote fat loss - a movement using your entire body (as do squats and dead lifts) or those worthless hip adductor/abductor machines? If you guessed the latter, please go back to reading “Good Housekeeping.”

    2. Thou Shalt Lift Heavy

    This goes without saying, but the compound movements are challenging. It takes time to learn the proper technique and to acquire the proper motor learning patterns to become efficient in these lifts. So, when I say “lift heavy,” I don’t necessarily mean one should do it right away if they’re just learning to perform these movements. I know many people jump into the gauntlet and try to lift heavily right off the bat and end up hurting themselves not too long afterward. One should definitely take a few weeks (especially if he is a newbie) and use higher rep ranges (6-12) to learn proper form and to gain confidence in his ability to perform the compound movements. Most of the strength gains early on will be because of neuromuscular recruitment improvements instead of hypertrophy, but one will still put on a fair amount of muscle mass right off the bat even with the high(er) rep ranges. Once that newbie period is out of the way, though, if you want to get the most out of your training buck, you HAVE to incorporate heavy lifting.

    As I stated in the introduction, I wasted many years doing 3x10 of almost everything. While it does have its place and is rather effective for people just starting, it is only going to take you so far. When people talk about hypertrophy, there are a few major factors that come into play, some of which are time under tension, load (mass), and acceleration. The latter two interact in terms of their ability to produce intramuscular tension (ability of a muscle to produce force: force = mass x acceleration). For the sake of this article, I am just going to discuss “load,” but for further insight, check out Christian Thibaudeau’s superb book, “The Black Book of Training Secrets.”

    Low rep/high intensity strength training is effective mainly because it leads to degradation of the contractile proteins actin and myosin, which results in sarcomere hypertrophy. In layman’s terms, this means increased thickness and density of the ACTUAL muscle fibers. On the flip side, higher rep/lower intensity training leads to sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which increases the size of non-contractile elements such as collagen and improves one’s ability to store substrates such as glycogen. Including training protocols that target BOTH types of hypertrophy is definitely going to elicit the greatest amount of muscle growth than if you were to just concentrate on one or the other. However, if you want to be big and strong, implementing heavy, low-rep strength training is a must and is an idea that many tend to overlook. Some of the biggest guys out there are the ones who do absolutely no heavy training, and tend to be “all show and no go.” Simply put, they’re big, but weak. By implementing heavy strength training into your arsenal, you can rest assured that you will not only put on a fair amount of mass, but you will also be strong to boot. And besides, it is just so darn fun to lift heavy things.

    Let’s say that someone has been doing 3x10 for most of their training sessions and for a particular bench press session, they used 200 lbs. for each set. We can calculate that 200 lbs x 10 repetitions comes to 2000 total load for one set. Obviously, at this weight and rep scheme, three sets yield a total tonnage of 6000 lbs. for that particular bench press session. Now, when we talk about heavy strength training, typical set/rep schemes usually flip that 3x10 around. So, instead of doing three sets of ten repetitions, you would do ten sets of three repetitions. Essentially, you are doing the same volume (very important), but with heavier loads, which you’ll recall activate high threshold motor units and fast-twitch muscle fibers (given a fast concentric) that have the greatest propensity for growth. So, that same individual will now use 225 for his “working sets” because he is using a low-rep setup. Now, we have 225 x 3 repetitions comes to 675 lbs. for one set. With ten sets, we get a total tonnage of 6750 lbs.: 750 lbs. more than the typical 3x10 set/rep scheme that was originally used! Which do you think will elicit more muscle growth? 6000 lbs. or 6750 lbs.? So, when you hear your local gym warrior (who looks the same now that he did five years ago) proclaim that you can’t get bigger lifting heavy weights and that high reps are the way to go for maximum hypertrophy, tell him to go back to the 3rd grade and relearn how to add.

    ***I will say that one needs to take into consideration the entire training session’s volume as well as any individual time constraints. Performing 10x3 will take quite a bit longer than 3x10, so you obviously will have to plan accordingly. Both protocols have their place as far as maximum hypertrophy is concerned, and one is not inherently better than the other; they’re just different. However, I do feel that many tend to neglect the advantages of heavy, low-rep training and would be wise to start incorporating it into their programs. I promise you will be pleasantly surprised if you do so.

    3. Thou Shalt Limit Cardio

    Not too long ago, a gentleman approached me because he was all flustered that he couldn’t put on any significant amount of muscle and was perplexed that his bench press wasn’t going up. Outside of asking him what he was currently doing in terms of his exercise selection and whether or not he was using set/rep schemes that allowed him to lift heavy, I asked him how much cardio he was doing each week. He responded, “Oh, I run about 20-25 miles per week.” YOWSA! Listen, I will not be the guy who says that cardio is a waste of time and that only housewives use the elliptical machines. However, if putting on muscle is your goal, participating in that much cardiovascular exercise will be counterproductive. In short, it can be very catabolic and can sacrifice a lot of hard earned muscle. An analogy that I like to use with clients is to compare a marathon runner to a sprinter. Marathon runners, while they do have very low levels of body fat, have little to no muscle mass. On the flip side, sprinters are ripped and have a ton of lean muscle mass. That alone should get my point across. For this reason, I tend to advocate that people who are trying to add on size should just stick to doing 1-2 High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) sessions per week, brisk walking, or GPP (General Physical Preparedness) to keep their conditioning up while trying to add on some quality muscle mass. Cardiovascular exercise does serve a purpose and does have many important benefits (more efficient oxygen transport, increased nutrient partitioning, as well as general “heart health”), but if one is trying to put on size, they have to be cognizant of the amount they are doing and be careful not to overdo it and sacrifice too much lean body mass. A general way to approach things would be to perform 1-2 HIGH intensity sessions (HIIT) per week and possibly 1-2 LOW intensity sessions (walking) per week. Try to avoid the drawn-out, steady state cardio as much as possible.

    4. Thou Shalt Be Mindful of Post-Workout Nutrition

    If you have been training for any significant amount of time and have not been utilizing proper post-workout nutrition, then you need to hightail it to Barnes and Noble and purchase “Post-Workout Nutrition: Where the Heck Have You Been the Past Five Years?” (Side note: this book doesn’t really exist). It should come as no surprise to you that the 4-6 hours after a training session should be a time where you try to push the envelope and take full advantage of the anabolic window. I once had a guy tell me that he usually waited two hours before eating anything after training because he thought that he would burn more body fat if he did so. Needless to say, I put a stop to that rather quickly. As I stated earlier, this is a time when you WANT to feed the body. A quality post-workout drink containing at least a 2:1 ratio of carbs: protein would be a great start. Liquid formulas are ideal at this juncture because they are absorbed by the body at a much faster rate than whole food sources and they serve three vital functions: replenishing depleted glycogen stores, promoting protein synthesis, and staving off further muscle protein catabolism (by restoring positive nitrogen balance). Ideally, you should drink half of these calories during your workout and the other half immediately afterward. Then, you should wait about an hour or so and have a whole food protein and carbohydrate (P&C) meal that will probably end up being your largest meal of the day. During my last bulking cycle, this meal would easily total 1200-1500 calories! Again, a good rule of thumb is to use a 2:1 ratio of carbs: protein. Choices include pasta with chicken, oatmeal with whey protein, cold cereal with added whey protein and a piece of fruit, or a combination of everything! About two hours later, I would ingest yet another P&C meal, but with a ratio of around 1:1 (carbs: protein). As you can see, you will be eating the bulk of your daily calories during this time; this might scare some people, but you have to realize that your body will be using these calories for a specific purpose: getting BIG.

    Disclaimer: If you are prone to storing fat easily, I would change things slightly in that I would stick with the PWO drink, but use a 1:1 ratio with your first whole meal and then revert back to P+F meals from then on.

    5. Thou Shalt Get Ample Rest

    As impossible as it may seem for many of you, you need to make sure that you are getting enough rest at night in the form of a solid 7-9 hours per night. I’m sure many of you know how your performance plummets in the gym when you are dead-tired, so I don’t really need to elaborate any further about how imperative it is that you get enough rest. Also, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to try to get a short 20-30 minute “power-nap” at some point during the day (preferably right after a training session). Personally, I have found that this works wonders and helps with recovery. Additionally, many individuals get into the mindset that more is better and want to be in the gym every day. I’ll be honest and say that sometimes I have to force myself NOT to step foot in the gym. Incorporating planned back-off or active rest periods every 4-6 weeks is a great way to keep your body fresh and to stave off lingering injuries. I have found that most do well with just cutting their overall training volume in half (as most tend to overtrain because of too much volume) and keeping the intensity high during these weeks. This is highly individual, though, so you will just have to play around to see what works best for you. Either way, taking a planned back-off week every 4-6 weeks is a superb way to allow the body to heal and to come back even stronger than before.

    6. Thou Shalt Eat at a Surplus

    How many of you have heard the following a few hundred times: “Dude, I am eating all the time, but I just can’t put on any weight. What’s the deal?” Newsflash: you’re not eating enough; it’s as simple as that. Well, it isn’t entirely THAT simple, but assuming they aren’t being complete sissies in the gym, then yes, it is that simple. I know it sounds a bit hypocritical of me to be busting the chops of these people, but I like to consider it a healthy dose of “tough love.” If you want to get big, you have to eat big. Now, I am not saying you have to go out and eat fast food every day and down a half-gallon of ice cream every night, but you do need to eat at a caloric surplus to grow any significant amount of muscle. It takes calories to build and maintain muscle and if you’re not taking in enough calories to do so, then you’re just not going to get the results you want. Think of calories as a foundation. You can’t build a house without a solid foundation, right? Well, the same can be said of building a big and muscular body. For a good idea of the types of foods you should be eating, check out (shameless self-plug here) You Are What You Eat: Part I and II. Again, I am not a huge advocate of eating whatever you want, but rather I prefer “clean bulks,” where one attempts to limit fat gain. By using the foods listed in that article, I find that most do quite well in this regard.

    How much should you eat? Everyone is different, but I feel a good starting point is adding 500 calories to your maintenance intake. To figure out your maintenance intake, a good starting point would be body weight x 15-18 (the leaner you are, the higher you can start). So, a “lean” 200-pound man would start his maintenance at 3600 calories (200x18) and eventually work up to a 500-calorie surplus of 4100 calories per day. I say eventually because one shouldn’t just go ahead and eat at a +500 surplus right away, especially if fat gain is a concern. Rather, gradually increase calories by 100-250 per day for a few weeks and gauge progress as you go. If you find that you’re putting on fat a little too fast, reduce calories. If you find things are progressing nicely, then I see no reason why you can’t gradually increase calories as you go.

    7. Thou Shalt Train Often

    The more times you stimulate a muscle to grow (given proper recovery, enough nutrition, and varying training stimuli), the more likely it is to grow. It’s an outdated, senseless idea to train a muscle group and then wait 7-10 days before you train it again. This is why many of the training programs you will find here on Rugged advocate that you train as often as possible without overtraining or persistently over-reaching. The key, however, is that you feel motivated to train and you use shorter, yet more frequent training sessions that emphasize compound lifts. Many of the routines you see in the popular muscle magazines are geared to individuals who are using “help” and just have way too much volume for your average gym rat. More often than not, someone will attempt to follow one of those programs and be burnt out faster than you can say BALCO. Ideally, the best split where you can train using short, frequent training sessions would be something like Joel Marion’s Sequential Development For Size (which explains the rationale above in further detail) or programs designed by strength and conditioning coach Chad Waterbury. All of their programs use compound lifts, and most are designed in a way where you are training as often as you would like and provide a different training stimulus in each session to help stave off overtraining.

    8. Thou Shalt Train With Like Individuals

    Ask any powerlifter whether or not it helps his strength or performance to train in an environment with other strong people, and he will more than likely retort with, "does a bear **** in the woods?" I know firsthand how much of a drag it can be to train in your typical commercial gym, where butt-blaster machines and 45 year-old women wearing pink spandex surround you (of course, with REO Speedwagon playing on the radio). There are times when I can feel the strength being sucked out of me immediately after I walk through the doors. I do a fairly good job at sucking it up and mustering enough motivation to train on my own on a daily basis. However, when I have the opportunity to train with a friend or with like-minded individuals, or in a facility that caters to the "non-wussified," it is like night and day in terms of intensity and performance. This became quite apparent when I had the opportunity to train at Highland Strength and Fitness last summer just outside of Boston with fellow Rugged contributors John Sullivan, Eric Cressey, Brad Cardoza, and Justin Wright. The gym itself was amazing and I was like a kid in a candy store with first-time access to a dead lift platform, glute-ham raise, reverse hyper, and all the goodies that come with a powerlifting/strongman-designed gym. More importantly, guys who like to train hard and heavy surrounded me; you don’t find many housewives in your commercial gym that enjoy that! Even though I was training around injuries, I was able to set a personal best, with a rack pull for 575x2. Prior to this, I had never even attempted a rack pull over 500 lbs! Needless to say, a training environment, where I was able to train with other people with similar goals made a HUGE difference for me. With that being said, try your best to get a training partner with similar goals or to train around people you know will push you and not allow you to back down from lifting heavy weights. Trust me, you will be surprised as how much it helps.


    9. Thou Shalt Stick To the Game Plan

    Raise your hand if this sounds familiar. You read about the latest “it” training program, get all fired up cause it fits your goals to a "T," and then rush to the gym on Monday to try that puppy out. Then by the following week, you read about yet another program that is PERFECT, and decide to ditch the one you were doing and start the new one ASAP. The cycle repeats itself every two weeks or so and more often than not, you are left perplexed as to why you are not getting the results you want, even though you have been in the gym almost everyday busting your butt for the past six months.

    I’ll admit that I have been a culprit of this in the past and I constantly come across individuals who do the same on a weekly basis. I understand that there are hundreds of quality programs out there designed to get you big and strong, but constantly switching from one to the other is just not a smart way to train and is more counterproductive than helpful. How do you expect to gain a true sense of progress if you are constantly switching programs faster than you can save money by switching to GEICO? The take-home message is to find a program that fits your goals and needs and STICK TO IT for the duration (most only last for 8 weeks, 12 at most). That new program you read about isn’t going anywhere and will be there when you complete your current one.

    10. Thou Shalt Not Fear the Macronutrients

    Because I am such a nice guy, I am going to take this time and tell you how much of each macronutrient you should try to shoot for when trying to add on size. I am not a big fan of trying to aim for a specific percentage of each because depending on one’s total caloric intake, doing so can equate to either too little of a particular macro, or too much. And besides, it is just a pain in the ass to do so. Rather, I prefer that one shoots for a specific gram total of each.

    Protein: I see no reason to go above 1.25-1.5 grams per pound of body weight. Many bodybuilders tend to get in the mindset that the more protein you eat, the more muscle you grow, which is just not the case. Yes, you need to make sure that you are getting enough protein to ensure a positive nitrogen balance, but if you’re eating at a surplus it won’t necessarily matter where those extra calories are coming from in order to build more muscle mass. In other words, eat your carbs and fat.

    Carbohydrates: I think a good number to shoot for would be 2.0-3.0 grams per pound of body weight. The approach I like to take is to ingest the higher number on training days and the lower number on non-training days (this usually just means subtracting your post-workout drink on days that you don’t train), but this can be highly individual. Of course, this number can be deflated a bit for less-lean individuals or for those who have a slower metabolism; for these individuals, about 1.5-2.0 grams per pound of bodyweight is more appropriate, but I think the above criteria would serve most well.

    Fat: Simple. Fat will serve as a caloric ballast and make up the rest of your calories. All I will say here is that it would be in your best interest to make certain that you are ingesting “healthy” fats such as fish oil, flax oil, olive oil, natural peanut butter, mixed nuts, etc. These are in addition to the fats you will be ingesting naturally from your protein and carb sources.

    So, for a 200-lb. person with a caloric goal of 4000 calories per day, a typical day would look something like this:

    Protein: 200 x 1.5g/lb/BW= 300 grams. 300 x 4kcal per gram= 1200 calories from protein.

    Carbohydrates: 200 x 2.0 g/lb/BW= 400 grams. 400 x 4 calories/g= 1600 calories from carbohydrates.

    ***Note: this would represent a training day.

    Fat: 1200 calories (protein) + 1600 calories (carbs)= 2800 calories. 4000-2800 = 1200 calories from fat. 1200/9 calories/g = ~135 fat per day.

    As the weeks progress, if one notices that they are putting a little too much fat on for their liking, I would say that decreasing carb intake would be a smart thing to do. Conversely, if one finds that their weight is holding steady, then I would add some more carbs and work their up way to the higher end of the spectrum listed above.
    And That’s About It

    So there you have it: the Ten Commandments For Becoming a Magnificent Mass Monster. I wouldn’t necessarily call myself a monster per se, but I know that by following the above suggestions, I was able to put on close to 30 lbs. of lean body mass in only one year. To clarify, putting on mass is not an easy task and definitely takes a lot of hard work, dedication, and CONSISTENCY. In all honesty, though, I just think that many tend to overanalyze things and worry about the minutia to the point that their progress stagnates. Get your butt in the gym, lift heavy, use movements that will make you grow, eat a lot, get enough rest, and repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    We're both ectomorphs are eating fats is borderline worthless in regards to usable energy

    300+ grams of glow GI carbs (wheat bread, bagels, oatmeal, etc..) 100 grams of simplier sugars (50 in the morning and 50 after lifting)

    ~250-300 grams of protein

    100 grams of fats. The less saturated the better.

    Don't eat deserts and junk food often as they ARE CALLED JUNK FOOD FOR A REASON. Instead of JUNK food eat right.

    I'm not argueing against drinking water, but your body creates water everytime it creates an ATP molecule via the electron transport chain
    you dont seem to understand much about what your saying, im actually posting because i do, i have a level 3 diploma in nutrition as well as anatomy and physiology qualifications

    fats are not useless, calories are only useless if they are empty, an fats are not, fatty foods are the most calorie dense foods you can get by over double - who told you fats can not be used by the human body?

    you should never eat the same amount of protein as carbs, carbs should be 50%+ of your diet, epsecially when trying to gain weight

    junk food to the average person is a waste because its too calorie dense, an ends up being stored as body fat, but to someone who burns calories at a much quicker rate, it is not junk food anymore - the only bad side is possible cholesterol build up of the bad kind from saturated fats, which is why mono's should play a large roll

    what you said about water was about as useful as a chocolate fireguard

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaVvY
    you dont seem to understand much about what your saying, im actually posting because i do, i have a level 3 diploma in nutrition as well as anatomy and physiology qualifications

    fats are not useless, calories are only useless if they are empty, an fats are not, fatty foods are the most calorie dense foods you can get by over double - who told you fats can not be used by the human body?
    Please define an empty calory. Most definitions would categorize sugar as a source of empty calories because it lacks fiber, vitamins, anti-oxidants, etc, yet it is not useless by any means. It is very beneficial to take in dextrose or maltodextrose during the anabolic window to promote suttling of protein and other nutrients into muscle cells.

    Protein and carbs (via metabolic pathways) yield 4 calories, while fats yield 9.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaVvY
    you should never eat the same amount of protein as carbs, carbs should be 50%+ of your diet, epsecially when trying to gain weight
    Your basing your macro recommendations on what research? Anecdotal evidence? Please remember there is no 1 way to bulk or cut.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaVvY
    junk food to the average person is a waste because its too calorie dense, an ends up being stored as body fat, but to someone who burns calories at a much quicker rate, it is not junk food anymore - the only bad side is possible cholesterol build up of the bad kind from saturated fats, which is why mono's should play a large roll
    The average person is fat, so I agree it is probably not beneficial for them to eat "junk" food.

    If junk food is stored as fat, not because it is junk food, but because the individual exeeded his or her caloric need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaVvY
    you dont seem to understand much about what your saying, im actually posting because i do, i have a level 3 diploma in nutrition as well as anatomy and physiology qualifications

    fats are not useless, calories are only useless if they are empty, an fats are not, fatty foods are the most calorie dense foods you can get by over double - who told you fats can not be used by the human body?

    you should never eat the same amount of protein as carbs, carbs should be 50%+ of your diet, epsecially when trying to gain weight

    junk food to the average person is a waste because its too calorie dense, an ends up being stored as body fat, but to someone who burns calories at a much quicker rate, it is not junk food anymore - the only bad side is possible cholesterol build up of the bad kind from saturated fats, which is why mono's should play a large roll

    what you said about water was about as useful as a chocolate fireguard
    So you have a diploma in nutrition but you skipped out on reading comprehension?

    Where did you read that I stated don't eat fat. I stated eat around a 100 grams.

    Since when does 400 grams of carbs = 250 grams of protein? You should review basic math.

    What kinda of nutritionalist would recommend JUNK food? I recommend healthy alternatives. That's the thing, although a BB has a higher Metabolic Rate then the average person, the benefits of eating fats are not linear especially to ectomoprhs.

    There are worst things in junk foods than just saturated fats. I already stated avoid saturated fats.

    You should know that fats are a very poor source of usable energy when it comes to lifting. There have been medical journals that stated that carbs can provide up to 4x the usuable amount of energy as fats too. Take to long to break them down and they're most usefulness comes from edocrine system control-espcially for ectomorphs who are know for NOT storing energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    I'm not argueing against drinking water, but your body creates water everytime it creates an ATP molecule via the electron transport chain

    And? Water is the #1 most important thing our body needs. Don't tell me you personally don't drink much because "your body creates water everytime it crease an ATP molecule"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain
    And? Water is the #1 most important thing our body needs. Don't tell me you personally don't drink much because "your body creates water everytime it crease an ATP molecule"
    I didn't say that. Just stated a fact.
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    Yea man.. I know, I know. But with how conscious our society is with eating disorders and obesity, I would have thought that everyone had grasped the concept of eating.

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    Nothing wrong with upping the fats on a bulk!

    kmrobins - track your food on www.fitday.com, figure out average, then add 500 calories.

    Failure training for every workout is NOT great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateBoy
    I didn't say that. Just stated a fact.
    Was your comment about fat also a fact?
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    Where in Australia do you live? I'll put you up in my house for a week and I gurantee you will put on weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrobins
    why cant i put on weight?
    beause you dont eat enough
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    Eat less per sitting, but more sittings.

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