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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Behind Neck Presses.. DANGEROUS?

    I was thinking about switching up my main delt exercise, seated overhead db presses, with seated overhead behind the neck barbell presses.

    I have read a few articles that state that they are extremely dangerous and put a lot of stress on your rotator cuffs etc., but then I have read others saying that that's bullsh*t.

    I am wondering would this be a good idea to substitute? I just hate the dumbbell presses so much I dread them...


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    Excellent excercise for builing mass on your shoulders.

    IMO the only time they become dangerous is when your using some serious weight. Don't let people with little boney shoulder tell you there dangerous, you go out there and build you some cannon balls.
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    I like em,....they don't feel bad to me

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    Senior Member MonStar1023's Avatar
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    Alright thanks for the replies guys. I usually like to stick to dumbbells for almost every bodypart but for delts you guys would recommend these?


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    Without a doubt. If I had to pick one shoulder excercise it would be them.
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    Behind the neck presses are and can be dangerous. People in their teens and twenties who have better than average shoulder flexibility can usually do them without apparent problems. However this apparent immunity generally stops by the thirties and this exercise tends to be dropped due to injury as shoulder flexibility decreases as one ages. Also as you get stronger, you tend to add more weight which can lead to serious lasting damage. The shoulder injury is one of the most common injuries in weight-lifting and behind the neck presses are a leading cause. A number of well-known authors in the bodybuilding field such as Dr. Ken (his last name escapes me at the moment, begins with a L) and Stuart McRobert both subscribe to this idea as well.
    There's always the exception to the rule to be sure and people who are relatively young, might be able to get away with abusing their bodies for a long time, but it eventually catches up to most people. In the majority of people, the shoulder joint is just not made to rotate like that. What are my credentials and why should you believe me? 1. I have a Master's degree in Physical Science. 2. I am 31 and have been lifting for 12 years. I would be interested in hearing any opinions on this subject from say people who are around forty or older. There might be some valuable insight based on their experiences with behind the neck presses.

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    YatesNightBlade-
    Would doing traps a few days before behind-neck presses be a problem?.. I usually do PULL on Wednesday, and then PUSH on Saturday. Is that okay? 3 sets of behind-neck presses then 3 sets of one-arm laterals... does that look okay?


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    So what do you think then bro? Would you recommend dumbbell presses instead?


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    Any type of shoulder press behind the neck can lead to injury. Dumbell presses to the front or barbell presses to the front are much safer and can lead to good results. The reason why a lot of people do behind the neck, is because they "feel it more" Believe me, if they continue this, most of them will end up "feeling it" all the time, as a lifetime injury that even surgery can't cure completely...,if the injury is serious enough!

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    Believe me, if they continue this, most of them will end up "feeling it" all the time
    Do you or someone you know, have problems with their shoulders from this exercise?

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    Why don't you just try them monstar? Find out for yourself.

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    I've got an idea .... Why don't you not bother going to the gym at all. Why risk getting injured. Please .....

    Ignore the people that are telling you Squatting is bad for your knees and deadlifts are bad for your back. If it's working for you and you feel the movement .... stick at it.
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    Squatting is bad for your knees
    I ran across this:

    http://www.drsquat.com/articles/articles1.htm

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    When I was in college, I worked out with three friends, and not knowing much about what consistuted bad exercise then, did heavy behind the neck presses, as they were a staple in many pros regimes. Fortunately after a few years of reading and listening to my body, I realized that 1. The magazines were c**p and 2. Overheads were dangerous and not even necessary. So I dropped them. My friends did not. One of them can now not use his left arm in a full range of motion to this day. Another can not raise either arm above the level of his head without experiencing severe shoulder pain. Both were actually doing behind the neck shoulder presses (at different times) when this occured. Almost dropped the weights on themselves. As for the third friend, there are no serious problems with him as of yet..,but he claims his shoulders feel looser than before and not as stable. That can not be directly linked to behind the neck presses...,but they can't have helped. And Tree Trunks, if MonStar follows your advice and develops shoulder problems, what will you tell him then? "Work through the pain?" MonStar you are (obviously) free to follow any exercise you see fit to. I am simply trying to provide another perspective. Not everybody who does shoulder presses gets injured, and I am obviously biased because of my experiences. However should you decide on behind the neck presses, I would at least advise that you do them with a spotter as many injuries (not just shoulder-related) occur when fatigue sets in.

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    As you should do almost every exercise with a spotter and correct form. ExtremeAnabolic...did these friends of yours use correct form and use a spotter? Or did they just completely **** up all on their own and **** their shoulders up?

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    1. Some people (not everyone) develop rotator cuff problems when pressing or pulling behind the neck.

    2. There is no muscle targetted with behind the neck presses or pulls that cannot be stimulated in another way.

    3. I have decided that they are not necessary for me. You decide for yourself.

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    Oh, I also noticed that most of the people telling you to do behind the neck presses, didn't give their credentials or their age. Nor did they give a reasoned arguement why you should do them, preferring to throw out sarcastic one-liners. Hey if you want to do them, do them. They're your shoulders. BTW Yates, deadlifts and squats too for that matter are great exercises, but not for everybody. Your namesake in pro bodybuilding gave up squats as he said the injury factor was too high. And Tree Trunks and I fought a running battle over deadlifts, as he claimed deadlifts were not that effective, (for him anyway) So even the best lifts do not work for everybody, as Yates (the Pro) and Tree Trunks can attest to.

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    The way I look at it is, why bother risking injury with a known dangerous exercise when you can just do it in front of the head with very similar muscular results. Some people may get away with doing presses behind the head for their whole life, but why risk it?

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    I said deads were not effective as a mass builder. Deads are excellent for strength. But in the past I have never made deads a staple of my workout. I just do them from time to time and the poundages keep going up. I plan to compete in some powerlifting comps within the year and I would like to bump my current DL from 375 to 405+ by adding them as a staple on my back day.

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    Personal preference.


    I feel dumbells are best for delts because I can move them to where it is most comfortable. With a bar in front or behind, you have to worry about your head and keeping it out of the way. Behind my neck feels more uncomfortable then in front, but both are worse than dumbells IMO.
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    I do partial DB shoulder press, blasts my shoulders and really nails my rear delts.

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    Yeah I am going to stick to overhead DB presses instead of behind-neck presses..

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    besides behind the neck press is not as effective in developing delts as overhead press.

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    "I do partial DB shoulder press, blasts my shoulders and really nails my rear delts."



    Rear delts with a press?

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    besides behind the neck press is not as effective in developing delts as overhead press
    You mean for you they may not be as effective
    (I'm not defending btn press)

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