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    Belt

    I was doing my deadlifts (i'm glad to say i added 20 more pounds for 1 full set of 10) Well anyways when i was done a dude in his late 30's who was working on the bench told me i should wear a belt. He asked me how old i was i told him i was 17, dude said i have like 5 - 10 more years of growth and if i wanna continue to grow i should wear a belt. If i should wear a belt for deadlifts should i wear a belt for squats.

    I deadlift 140 lbs if that makes a diffrence.

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    Hmmmm at 140 I don't think you'll need a belt. I don't use a belt when I deadlift, I only use a belt when I go for a max.

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    if you go heavy you should wear a belt but not on warm ups

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    Depends how strong your midsection is and if you want it to get any stronger...

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    Belt

    You do not need a belt. What you need is two things:

    1) Always maintain proper form.

    2) Train your core muscles (rectus abdominus, transversus abdominus, internal and external obliques and the muscles of the lower back). If you do this you will not need a belt unless perhaps you are going really heavy (which you aren't yet).

    3) You may hold your breath during the rep as this will increase intraabdominal pressure and help stabilize you, but this can be risky if you have a condition such as high blood pressure. (Just for the record, I don't do this).

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    My abs and lower back are the only belt I ever use.


    and while were talking about belts, don't you notice that the guys telling you to wear a belt are the same ones that wear a belt when they bench....it's like the fag's using wrist wraps to do curls...

    When did weight belts become fashionable???

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    IMO, I recommend a belt.

    After 20 years of weights, I am sure that it has kept me from getting back injuries on more than one occasion.

    People here have talked about loss of strength. I have experienced none. In fact, aside from this board, I have never met anyone who experienced any strength loss.

    At places where lifting heavy objects is commonplace, ie., Home Depot, WalMart, Target, etc., belts are part of the standard issue to employees for safety risks.

    While most people KNOW about correct form, take a look at your local gym and see how few lifters actually employ proper techniques. That's all the more reason to use safeguards and precautions.

    You may want to come across as some bad-ass today, but one day you will appreciate the fact that you use a belt. NOT using one is like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You are just asking for trouble.

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    it's like the fag's using wrist wraps to do curls...
    If it works for someone, who are you to make judgements? When is YOUR next PL or BB competition? You shouldn't make comments like that. It's not very Moderator-like.

    I also recommend knee wraps. Knees and back are vital to your day-to-day existence and when you get older, I mean WAY older, you will want both strong and healthy. Racking yourself up by not taking a few simple safety precautions may ruin you much later down the line.
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    I personally don't use a belt for any lifts anymore. Not sure if it has made me stronger(by not using one), but my lifts have continued to increase without injury.

    I think it's more of a personal preference and if you feel more comfortable wearing one, do so.

    I used to workout with a guy who wore a belt everyday he worked out. No matter if he was doing shoulder presses or squats or even leg press; he had on a belt.

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    Belts aren't going to help your form so I don't know how that's a valid argument. If you have a strong trunk and breath properly there is no reason for a belt. If you are concerned and it makes you feel better then I guess go ahead but I don't really see how much of an injury preventer a piece of leather or nylon is gonna make.
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    I was squatting 350+ lbs for reps without a belt with no problem with trunk stability. Your body has a natural "belt" and by training without one, you'll develop that natural belt. Don't use a belt unless you're powerlifting or going for reps under 3.
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    Originally posted by W8_4_Me
    If it works for someone, who are you to make judgements?
    If a someone can't curl 25 pound dumbells without their grip giving out, they need grip work, not wraps. Chris, Paul, Maki, Power, Myself, and others could all make this point based on the relationship between forearm size/strength and bicep size/stength. So it's not a judgment, it's a fact.

    Originally posted by W8_4_Me
    When is YOUR next PL or BB competition?
    I don't see how my personal life relates to your point, but my BB comp is the second week of June and my deadlift comp is in late August I believe....my partner would know better on the date.

    Originally posted by W8_4_Me
    You shouldn't make comments like that. It's not very Moderator-like.
    I'll be the judge of that. If you don't like it, to bad.

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    Severed Ties I have to agree with W8_4_ME on this one. Your comments and subsequent attitude is quite un-moderator like.

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    FYI- he's not a training mod. And since when does a moderator position castrate somebody? He's not directly attacking anybody, and his comments, while not entirely PC, were nevertheless pretty dead on the money.

    I'm sorry, but w8_4_me.... You believe belts and wraps are absolute necessities? I'm sorry, I have to disagree. The typical squatter does NOT need wraps or a belt. He may be able to go heavier WITH such assistance, but I don't think that these extra items will protect the lifter in the long run. You want to have a healthy back till you're old and gray? Train with good form, don't overreach, don't overtrain, and take time off every now and then.
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    Originally posted by Belial
    FYI-

    I'm sorry, but w8_4_me.... You believe belts and wraps are absolute necessities? I'm sorry, I have to disagree. The typical squatter does NOT need wraps or a belt. He may be able to go heavier WITH such assistance, but I don't think that these extra items will protect the lifter in the long run. You want to have a healthy back till you're old and gray? Train with good form, don't overreach, don't overtrain, and take time off every now and then.
    You are missing w8_4_me point. His point is that chances are you will not lift with proper form, or you may overtrain so as an insurance use belt, straps and wraps.

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    Originally posted by breeze
    Severed Ties I have to agree with W8_4_ME on this one. Your comments and subsequent attitude is quite un-moderator like.
    You two seem to agree on a lot...No coincidence that you were both offended by the f word for people who use straps hmmmmm

    LOL @ you taking a competition shot at ST. He'd shut you out right now at a bb show, and so would I.

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    Originally posted by breeze


    You are missing w8_4_me point. His point is that chances are you will not lift with proper form, or you may overtrain so as an insurance use belt, straps and wraps.
    "chances are"? That's no excuse. I'm assuming that anybody with half a brain will lift with proper form and learn their limitations, so they don't have to rely on "insurance".
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    Originally posted by Belial


    "chances are"? That's no excuse. I'm assuming that anybody with half a brain will lift with proper form and learn their limitations, so they don't have to rely on "insurance".
    All right. It seems that we are arguing for the sake of arguing. You win.

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    No. I'm saying that wearing a belt for insurance against bad form is ludicrous. Why not learn proper form? That'll do you more good in the long run, rather than using props to mask your mistakes.

    But yes, I'll take that victory.
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    Bottom line, if you want to wear one; do so. If you don't, than don't. Not that big of a deal.

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    There is a fellow in my gym that wears a belt for everything...then i saw him driving the other day without a seatbelt....go figure???
    I guess he had on his weightlifting belt and thought that would save him incase something happened.
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    Since I started to use a belt, I have found it helps me to keep that tightness in my midsection throughout my max sets.


    I don't think they will save anyone's back from crappy form.
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    I only use a belt in competition. Reason being that it might help me lift an extra 5 lbs or so. I max out some kind of deadlift,squat or good morning everyweek and had no problems by not using the belt. Train your abs,obliques and lowerback and you'll be set.
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    Severed Ties-

    I moderate 2 forums myself. You are not behaving like a moderator. You are behaving like a punk.

    I don't see how my personal life relates to your point,
    Exactly. Your flip comments about other peoples' personal lives don't apply, either.

    but my BB comp is the second week of June and my deadlift comp is in late August I believe....my partner would know better on the date.
    Thanks for the update.

    I'll be the judge of that. If you don't like it, to bad.
    Obviously, you are a poor judge and no, I don't like it, but unfortunately for me, I have to live with "people" like you.
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    Breeze-

    You are right on the money, btw.

    As far as belts go, which is what this thread is supposed to be about...

    Why risk injury needlessly. In all honesty, I only use a belt for squats. I also wrap my knees for squats. Other than that, I don't use any other support accesories.

    The part about form. You and I know that most people have no earthly idea about form. Even BAD form would be a step up for a bunch of folks.

    Many people here are good lifters but there are a ton of beginners that have no idea about form. Maybe you seen the countless threads about "How do I do this", or "What is that"...

    Over the span of time, I have read posts of people here that suggest that using wraps and belts decreases strength. I say it's a bunch of hooey. I have never been stronger and have always used a belt and knee wraps in some fashion.
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    Look, main point here: Belts can be a crutch. If a beginner uses poor form, they could get hurt. If they use a belt, it may help them out in the short run, but when they start stacking serious poundages on their back, it could come bite them in the ass. I take issue with the notion that these things (belts, wraps, etc.) should be used to cover up problems, that's just masking the issue.

    Not knowing proper form is not an excuse! Learn it! Practice with just the bar! THEN, if you must, grab a belt and start loading up.

    And stop the pissing match. Let's not ruin another good thread.
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