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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    What would be some good numbers for a PLer of my weight?

    I am 5'8 175 right now, and my numbers are nowhere near impressive yet, but what would be some good PL numbers for a 17 year old at my weight? (In case I compete when I am actually 17)

    MOP

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    350, 225, 350 would probably be a good start.

    What are your numbers now?

    Stats: Age: 34 Weight: 205 Height: 5'6"
    Gym PRs: Squat:635 Bench:560 Deadlift:495
    Meet PRs: Squat:575 Bench:520 Deadlift:510 Total: 1605@220

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    Good numbers? Well you could either drop to the 165 class or stay where you are and be in the 181. If you stay 181 your probably looking to compete against raw numbers in the range of... 455/335/500+ if the lifter has had any decent ammount of powerlifting experience. 165 numbers would be a bit lower, what're your current lifts looking like.

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    It's going to depend heavily on whether you would like these numbers to be "good" compared to the general population, or PLers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew
    350, 225, 350 would probably be a good start.

    What are your numbers now?
    Ok sweet.
    Quote Originally Posted by KevinStarke
    Good numbers? Well you could either drop to the 165 class or stay where you are and be in the 181. If you stay 181 your probably looking to compete against raw numbers in the range of... 455/335/500+ if the lifter has had any decent ammount of powerlifting experience. 165 numbers would be a bit lower, what're your current lifts looking like.
    Alright well that differs a lot from what drew said. for both drew and you my lifts are NOTHING special atm. I was just curious about what a good PL would be mine are:
    sq- 225
    dl- 265
    bench-165 all were last tested like idk 2 months ago


    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock
    It's going to depend heavily on whether you would like these numbers to be "good" compared to the general population, or PLers.
    I meant PLers.

    Thanks guys, I got the answers I wanted lol.

    MOP

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    Before you get too many ideas from those strong as ox folks like Kevin and Drew... take a look at the Raw Classifications..

    http://www.rawpowerlifting.com/pdf/R...nStandards.pdf

    Kevin's number would put you into Elite.. which is the top..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearwolf
    Before you get too many ideas from those strong as ox folks like Kevin and Drew... take a look at the Raw Classifications..

    http://www.rawpowerlifting.com/pdf/R...nStandards.pdf

    Kevin's number would put you into Elite.. which is the top..
    I see. Thanks lol.

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    I was also taking your age into account. Your current numbers are just fine, keep working hard and working smart. Gain some weight!

    Stats: Age: 34 Weight: 205 Height: 5'6"
    Gym PRs: Squat:635 Bench:560 Deadlift:495
    Meet PRs: Squat:575 Bench:520 Deadlift:510 Total: 1605@220

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    Good lifts for you would be 543-362-543 pounds...good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidemonster
    Good lifts for you would be 543-362-543 pounds...good luck!
    And you just pulled them from where??
    Last edited by Bob; 10-29-2006 at 06:00 AM.

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    Go with that thing everybody says maybe... lol 1.0x bodyweight bench, 2.0x bodyweight squat and dead. Then work your way up.
    5'7 425 lbs. 85% bodyfat Need to gain 20-40 lbs.

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    As a general rule, and a lot will depend on your bodyweight, having a squat and deadlift that is more than 2x your bodyweight and a bench 1.5x your bodyweight is good. Not elite, but pretty damn good.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by drew
    I was also taking your age into account. Your current numbers are just fine, keep working hard and working smart. Gain some weight!
    Thanks guys. Hey drew this kind of stuck out to me. If I want to improve strength to weight ratio, shouldn't I try to maintain? I am curious why you say to gain weight. Is it because it's easier to gain strength when you gain weight or what?

    Thanks again, all.

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    Easier to gain strength because you're gaining muscle mass, but moreso you increase your leverages. The more you weight the more leverage you have on the weight, and the more you can lift.

    Stats: Age: 34 Weight: 205 Height: 5'6"
    Gym PRs: Squat:635 Bench:560 Deadlift:495
    Meet PRs: Squat:575 Bench:520 Deadlift:510 Total: 1605@220

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew
    Easier to gain strength because you're gaining muscle mass, but moreso you increase your leverages. The more you weight the more leverage you have on the weight, and the more you can lift.
    Alright, I understand now thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei
    As a general rule, and a lot will depend on your bodyweight, having a squat and deadlift that is more than 2x your bodyweight and a bench 1.5x your bodyweight is good. Not elite, but pretty damn good.
    Aw gee, thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
    I am 5'8 175 right now, and my numbers are nowhere near impressive yet, but what would be some good PL numbers for a 17 year old at my weight? (In case I compete when I am actually 17)

    MOP
    You can look them up here

    http://www.rawpowerlifting.com/wrecords.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearwolf
    And you just pulled them from where??
    Competing in the 181lb category (82.5kilos) That would be squat and deadlift 3 tiimes your bodyweight and benching twice your bodyweight. That would make you a ''good'' powerlifter. If you can do more than that, that would be even better, remember, in powerlifting, the stronger you are, the better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidemonster
    Competing in the 181lb category (82.5kilos) That would be squat and deadlift 3 tiimes your bodyweight and benching twice your bodyweight. That would make you a ''good'' powerlifter. If you can do more than that, that would be even better, remember, in powerlifting, the stronger you are, the better...
    WestsideMan.. you need to read some of the other posts..
    Those numbers would be beyond Elite for a Raw 17 yr. old..
    Those number would even be GREAT for a suited, non-drug tested 17 yr. lifter @ 181 lbs.

    Putting them all together..
    Good starts at BW.. then 1.5 BW BP, 2xBW Squat & DL gets you to great..
    The Elite numbers beyond that are posted .. along with the records..
    http://www.rawpowerlifting.com/pdf/R...nStandards.pdf
    http://www.rawpowerlifting.com/wrecords.htm
    Last edited by Bob; 10-30-2006 at 06:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidemonster
    Competing in the 181lb category (82.5kilos) That would be squat and deadlift 3 tiimes your bodyweight and benching twice your bodyweight. That would make you a ''good'' powerlifter. If you can do more than that, that would be even better, remember, in powerlifting, the stronger you are, the better...

    For as many off the wall comments and questions you ask, why in the world is your name Westside Monster?

    Fuck, fight, or hold the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock
    For as many off the wall comments and questions you ask, why in the world is your name Westside Monster?
    And why are you so skinny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidemonster
    And why are you so skinny?
    Why are you so fat?

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    now now everyone,let's keep it cool.
    You will soon see Getfit in OngII Flying Knee Thingys of Doom see if the feisty greek can survive the kicks of Steel Leg From Shaolin Soccer,Dim Mak(def touch) from ChungLee,and Flying Crane by Daniel-san-El Pietro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risk10k
    Why are you so fat?
    Me fat? Dude, I'm ripped!...lol...6% bf, how could you call me fat when you don't even know what I look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by getfit
    now now everyone,let's keep it cool.
    Risk10 is provoking me! Can you please tell him to stop??...Please?

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