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    Leg Press with set track

    Arg...
    I'm no longer going to do a leg press or leg curls. Both exercises are on somewhat of a machine (It still uses plates, but it's on a set track), and I think that is the main problem since my left knee is never aggravated unless doing these exercises. I can't physically lock out my left knee on a leg press without discomfort.

    So I'm giving up the leg press and leg curls.
    Basically in my current routine I am doing squats, leg press, then leg curls on leg day.
    When I hit my hamstrings directly (Different day), I will do GM's, and RDL's.
    What are opinions on swapping leg press with hack squats, and leg curls with SLDL's? Or should I just forget about leg curls completely?

    And has anyone experienced a similar situation? What did you do to help?
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    Free weights are nearly always better than machines. Leg press is bad for your knees and leg curls are just not as good as GMs or SLDLs.

    I think swapping in those exercises would be a good idea, even if you weren't having discomfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSpikeyThing
    Free weights are nearly always better than machines. Leg press is bad for your knees and leg curls are just not as good as GMs or SLDLs.

    I think swapping in those exercises would be a good idea, even if you weren't having discomfort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    Lunges. Be sure to do some lunges.
    i love how you push that, hopefully people listen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    Lunges. Be sure to do some lunges.
    I agree lunges are badass, it is one of the more physically taxing excercises to me atleast.
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    Okay, let's say I add lunges:

    Where would you add them?

    These are basically my two leg days after modifying them:

    Quads day:
    Squats
    Hack Squats
    SLDL

    Hamstring day:
    RDL
    GM
    (And on the rare occasion I'll add in leg extensions, though these also bother my knee so I'm not a big fan)

    So should I add the lunges in on my hammy day? It seems like the best time since I'll be pretty damn wore out after hitting my quads that hard. Just looking for some opinions.
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    Do this for eight weeks and see what haopens:
    Squats 6, 6, 12, 12
    Front squats 12, 15, 20
    Legpress 6, 6, 12
    and for the hamstrings do:
    stiff leg deadlifts 6, 6, 12, 12
    standing leg curls 6, 6, 12, 12
    Also never do any of the exercises to lockout. Always stop 2-3inches before lockout. That way you'll keep constant tension on the muscle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris686
    Okay, let's say I add lunges:

    Where would you add them?
    Doesn't matter. Train movements, not muscles.
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    Add the lunges on your "ham" day instead of leg ext.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muscleshock
    Do this for eight weeks and see what haopens:
    Squats 6, 6, 12, 12
    Front squats 12, 15, 20
    Legpress 6, 6, 12
    and for the hamstrings do:
    stiff leg deadlifts 6, 6, 12, 12
    standing leg curls 6, 6, 12, 12
    Also never do any of the exercises to lockout. Always stop 2-3inches before lockout. That way you'll keep constant tension on the muscle.
    Thanks for your advice, but you should probably read the entire topic.
    No, I'm not going to do that for 8 weeks. It's terrible.
    I suppose you could not lockout when lifting. Oh, and while you're at it, don't touch your chest when you're benching and only do quarter squats. That way, you can use more weight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    Doesn't matter. Train movements, not muscles.
    Eh... Of course it matters. Would you hit your quads 3-4 times in one workout? And I'm still slightly confused by your statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by ddegroff
    Add the lunges on your "ham" day instead of leg ext.
    That's about what I was thinking. In all honesty I never do leg extensions anyway. Not a fan.

    Thanks for the tips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris686
    Eh... Of course it matters. Would you hit your quads 3-4 times in one workout? And I'm still slightly confused by your statement.
    Your body works as a unit, not individual parts. Unless you're Frankenstein.

    So if you think about movements, rather than muscles, you're ahead of the game.

    I don't train my quads. I squat, deadlift, lunge, and jump.

    I don't train my hamstrings. I squat, deadlift, lunge, and jump.

    Etc.

    You never truly isolate a muscle, so why bother trying?

    People claim to have "days" for all the major muscle groups, but I've yet to see a day devoted to glutes - which are the largest muscles in the body. So if we are going to devote time and effort to little tiny muscles like biceps, why not glutes? And hip flexors? And spinal erectors? What don't we see splits with days devoted to those muscle groups????

    It just makes no sense.
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    T-Nation: Cool! Good to hear! Let's get back to iron. What do you think of the leg press machine for athletes?

    Joe DeFranco: The leg press machine and the word "athlete" shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence! The leg press is a waste of time for athletes. With all of the squat and deadlift variations out there, I can’t see why any athlete would even look at a leg press. Yet, it’s still one of the most popular pieces of equipment in the gym, but when I see an athlete on the leg press machine, I automatically think he's a lazy athlete.

    And don’t tell me you’re doing leg presses instead of squats or deads because you have a bad back either. The leg press is much more damaging to the low-back compared to squats or deadlifts. Not to mention the fact that leg press strength has no carryover to the athletic field! Try putting the leg press machine on your back and see how many times you can squat it. Then it may be useful for athletes!

    While we’re on the subject, let’s burn the leg extension, hack squat, inner/outer thigh machine, pec deck, and that stupid pad that people wrap around the bar when they squat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    Your body works as a unit, not individual parts. Unless you're Frankenstein.

    So if you think about movements, rather than muscles, you're ahead of the game.

    I don't train my quads. I squat, deadlift, lunge, and jump.

    I don't train my hamstrings. I squat, deadlift, lunge, and jump.

    Etc.

    You never truly isolate a muscle, so why bother trying?
    Still not sure why you posted that because it still looks irrelevant. Nearly all of my lifts are compound movements. Just because I say I train hamstrings on day B doesn't mean I do leg curls all day.
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