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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Targetting the major pectorals

    I've got a bench and a bar along with dumbells. I've been doing the whole bench press thing and the butterflies with the dumbells don't seem to do anything for me. I can really feel it in my minor pectorals (outter) but I can't seem to target the majors (inner).

    Anyone have a certain exercise for targetting those? Keeping in mind what equipment I have avaliable....

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    There is no "inner" and "outer" chest.

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    BG beat me to it. You can't isolate parts of your chest. Just work on getting your chest bigger and focus on progressing.

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    genetics. the way your chest develops is not dependant on how you work it out, its bassed on your genetics. give it time. as for exersices to do. keep doing flat bench,flyes, mabye some incline bench. and depending on where your hands are on the bar will make results vary. wide grip hits chest more, close grip hits tris more.
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    There ARE inner and outter chest muscles. Except you've got them backward. The major is the outside and broken into the clavicular head, and the sternal head. The minor connects from your shoulder to your rib cage, beneath you major. The sternal head is the largest muscle in your chest.
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    here's something i learned from ronnie coleman, go to a cable machine a cybex one, and then put two d handles on and put the pullies at their lowest notch, now keep your elbows straight and cross your arms at the wrists in front of your chest slowly, it's like a hug. this is called a low cable cross. it is the only exercise that isolates your upper inner chest near your neck and collar bone, it gives you cleavage flies really thicken your outer chest. if you're having trouble feeling the burn and soreness in your chest, try doing a 4 by 4 or 5 by 5 day, or do something out of the ordinary like a ton of push ups with good form. good luck- just tryin' to help-

    heavy weight always stimulates my chest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's impossible to contract one head of the pectoralis major without contracting the other head as well as pectoralis minor. It's physiologically impossible. The pectoralis major originates from the clavicle and sternum and inserts into the humerus. It acts to adduct and flex the humerus. Any movement like that is going to contract both heads. The reason why we do inclined, flat and declined is to work the different stabilization muscles of each exercise, right? To develope overall strength.

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    hmm well which is it then? Are they two "areas" of the chest and can you isolate one or the other? Getting both answers here.

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    no you cant isolate them.

    Just lift heavy compunds, and it will work it self out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepsihatman
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's impossible to contract one head of the pectoralis major without contracting the other head as well as pectoralis minor. It's physiologically impossible. The pectoralis major originates from the clavicle and sternum and inserts into the humerus. It acts to adduct and flex the humerus. Any movement like that is going to contract both heads. The reason why we do inclined, flat and declined is to work the different stabilization muscles of each exercise, right? To develope overall strength.
    hey a newbie that knows physiology....that's rare.

    OP: read this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSpikeyThing
    hey a newbie that knows physiology....that's rare.

    OP: read this post.
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    I am working on becoming a nurse. Going through anatomy right now. I asked a lot of these questions before actually starting to lift and got some reliable answers. I think that's the smart way to go about things.

    edit: I just read that. It explains quite a bit. Good article.
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    pepsihatman: Good post.

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    ok after watching this http://thefitshow.com/week3/milos_chest_large.htm he says theres a "outer", "inner", "upper", and "lower"... although you cant isolate a certain one but you can target it with the proper technique.
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    If you read that article, it is saying that you are causing different fibers or portions of the muscle to shorten or stretched more than others when you do these different lifts. But, it also goes to say that there is no evidence that the shortening or stretching does not promote growth in that area of the muscle.

    Taken from said article:
    "Many proponents of the so-called “isolation” approach to training claim that this proportionally greater shortening of the fibers equates to greater tension in the “target” region than in others, and therefore stimulates greater adaptation; but this is completely at odds with the cross-bridge model of muscle contraction which clearly shows that as fiber length decreases tension also declines due to increasing overlap and interference in the area of the cross-bridges. Some also contend that the fibers called upon to shorten to a greater degree tend to fatigue faster than others and that therefore there is greater overall fiber recruitment in the region where this occurs, and thus a greater stimulus to growth; but there is no evidence to suggest that a fiber fatigues faster in one position than in another in relation to other fibers in the same muscle. In fact it has been shown that Time Under Tension (TUT) is the determining factor in fatigue and not fiber length. In fact fiber recruitment tends to increase in a very uniform fashion throughout an entire muscle as fatigue sets in."

    I hope this helps a bit. From my research into the matter, the shape of the outer, inner, upper, and lower portions of your pectoralis major is maily genetic. It will change over time and with further developement. This article also stated that with developement, the differences in these areas of the muscle will be less apparent.

    Edit: I also wanted to say that this is my interpretation of the article and my understanding of physiology. I can still be wrong, so please show me some contrary evidence if you know otherwise. I'll be glad to listen/read.
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    OMG why cant everyone new to the forum be as humble yet edcuated as yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancom41
    OMG why cant everyone new to the forum be as humble yet edcuated as yourself
    *shrug* I might be crazy, but I like to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detard
    wide grip hits chest more, close grip hits tris more.

    Also, my dad tells me to put my grip to where my forearms are straight up and down when you do the wide grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancom41
    OMG why cant everyone new to the forum be as humble yet edcuated as yourself
    Because we all can't train to become a nurse?

    We all have to start somewhere. These forums are a good place for a lot of use newbies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaoineSidhe
    Because we all can't train to become a nurse?

    We all have to start somewhere. These forums are a good place for a lot of use newbies.
    I completely agree with the "we all have to start somewhere" part. I started asking a lot of these tuttut or questions. I started with two 25lbs dumbells thinking I could do all the exercises I needed to "tone" my body. Haha... Only now do I realize how naive I was. Through reliable research and excellent advice I have learned a phenomenal amount. I've also learned not to trust every muscle-bound gym-goer as their success may be mostly genetic (even if they follow their own bad advice.)

    Edit: and lol, yes. There is a hell of a lot of reading for nursing (damn anatomy figures.) I have to know most of the nerves in the human body (as well as a sheep's brain) in less than 3 weeks for my lab practical exam. *sigh* I'll get there eventually.

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    try different exersizes, heavy decline makes my chest feel like its going to explode, but thats me, or maybe you can try very deep dumbbell bench, but that might hurt your shoulders.

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