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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Noob Questions about WBB #1

    On the WBB #1, does the "split" mean your days off?
    Has anyone used this routine and got good results? It seems so easy w/just 2 sets of 8....
    What is low incline dumbell press?
    Military Press in Rack...Does rack mean on a smith machine? Do u do it behind or front of neck?
    And what is french press?
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    Yes you can get awesome results.
    2 sets of 8 with as much weight as you can do 2 sets of 8 with is more then enough work. If two sets is easy add more weight.
    Incline DB press is exactly that, pressing dumbbells on a incline bench.
    No smith machine. Rack can be a power rack or shoulder press rack. Front of neck for military, behind neck will lead to shoulder issues. French press is a skull crusher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tru Texan
    On the WBB #1, does the "split" mean your days off?
    Has anyone used this routine and got good results? It seems so easy w/just 2 sets of 8....
    What is low incline dumbell press?
    Military Press in Rack...Does rack mean on a smith machine? Do u do it behind or front of neck?
    And what is french press?
    Didn't work well for me. Everything else Unreal said is correct.

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    Everyone is different. It is a good place to start though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unreal
    Incline DB press is exactly that, pressing dumbbells on a incline bench.
    No smith machine. Rack can be a power rack or shoulder press rack.
    My bad, I meant what it LOW db press...does that mean at a lower angle or at a certain angle on the adjustable bench? And by rack u basically mean machine right?
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    Rack is not machine.

    Power Rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tru Texan
    My bad, I meant what it LOW db press...does that mean at a lower angle or at a certain angle on the adjustable bench? And by rack u basically mean machine right?
    A rack isn't really a machine. It is a rack. A machine are those things that have cables and pulleys and usually are worthless when it comes to building muscles. When people say "rack" they mean a power rack a.k.a. the best equipment a gym could ever have. It is like a box that you stand in and you can do squats and other things in. The box around you is what protects you from dropping the weights.
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    Bench: 250lbs; Squat: 350lbs lbs; Deadlift: 430 lbs

    Military: 111lbsx8; Dips: BWx30; Pullups: BWx10; WChestP: 360lbsx7; 45LegP: 470lbsx20; C Raise: 360lbs; BB Curl: 105lbsx3; Lat Pull: 195lbsx5

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    This is a power rack.

    http://www.donoliver.co.nz/images/FM...wer%20Rack.jpg

    All of these exercises can be found by looking them up on google or some other search engine. Also try google video as they have alot of videos with these exercises being demonstrated for you with proper form. Although I'm still lost on the proper from for the stiff legged deadlifts but it helped me when I wanted to find out what the French press was.

    I have been on this program for just over a month. It must be working because I keep lifting more weight everytime in the gym. good luck
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    If you really max 325, I don't think you should do WBB1.
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    I started out with WBB 1 and it gave me great results. I started a month before school began and 3 months into it one of my buddies told me that someone said I was juicin Bastards

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvanH
    I started out with WBB 1 and it gave me great results. I started a month before school began and 3 months into it one of my buddies told me that someone said I was juicin Bastards
    My friends thought/think I am juicing too. I get this weird jealous vibe from them too like I am not the same person anymore because I gained over 30 lbs in 4 months. I don't give a **** though.

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    Bench: 250lbs; Squat: 350lbs lbs; Deadlift: 430 lbs

    Military: 111lbsx8; Dips: BWx30; Pullups: BWx10; WChestP: 360lbsx7; 45LegP: 470lbsx20; C Raise: 360lbs; BB Curl: 105lbsx3; Lat Pull: 195lbsx5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard 9
    If you really max 325, I don't think you should do WBB1.
    I noticed that too. You've got an awfully impressive bench for someone who doesn't fully know all the basics yet.

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    I liked the WBB1, i added some warmup sets to it and it worked great for me for a little. Just keep at it and u will find what works for u.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tofer
    I noticed that too. You've got an awfully impressive bench for someone who doesn't fully know all the basics yet.
    Surprising when someone doesn't know what a rack is, eh?
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    Yeah I kinda fed off of it

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    Maybe u guys misunderstood me...I do workout, I just joined this site and I need a good workout to get my body and strength where I would like. I'm not a beginner and I do know the basics...its just that we got different terms for different things down here...A rack, well I used it plenty in football but we didn't call it just a rack..We either called it the Squat Rack or the cage; skull crushers, not french press, and incline is just incline....so I wasn't so sure about the "LOW" incline and if it pertained to the angle of the bench...

    But here are some of my stats:
    I currently bench 325lbs X 1, 255lbs X 8, 225lbs X12 or so...
    I can military press about 135lbs x8...185lbs x1....
    Curls, maybe about 135lbs x1, and around 95lbs X 8-10 w/barbell, but probably way more w/curl bar...
    Squat, haven't maxed since my motorcycle wreck. So I take it easy and do 5 sets of 10 at 225lbs, or 5x5 at 275lbs just to build my knee back up (surgery)
    But when I graduated high school I was doing 4 sets of 10 at 425, maxing about 600 or so. (and I only weighed 165lbs at the time, but my bench was horrible at 245lbs...)

    With all that said, I'm trying to get my numbers up, especially in my chest...I want a nice size w/a nice tone...but I want to be STRONG!!!! Open to all criticism and any suggestions...and some good training routines that would get my numbers up and make me strong as hell w/o looking overbulky
    Height: 5'11"
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    Current Bench Max: 350lbs
    CurrentGoal: Decent abs, Decent looking body ,and benching 400lbs one day

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    Anyone?
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    Well, I don't think any one is going to help you because people don't have much patience for people who are clearly liars.

    For example, your claim of a 600 lbs squat at 165 lbs? Clearly a lie. According to strength standards at http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...Standards.html a squat of 600 lbs at 165 lbs would put you well past elite territory. In fact, your claim to have squatted 425 for 4 sets of 10 reps? Also, clearly a lie. 445 for a one-rep max is elite territory and you're doing reps of 10 with almost as much weight? Ha.

    165 lbs is 75 kg exactly. In the Sub-Juniors division (High School), the world record for squats is 272.5 or 599.5 lbs. See http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/worl...sub_jun_pl.htm My only question, is why didn't you try to break that record if you supposedly had it in you?

    The thing is, these guys train like crazy and have to be naturally strong in the first place to break these sort of records, so I really don't see how some guy who barely knows what he's doing, would have been capable of beating them by accident.

    So if you want to come in here and make up fake numbers, because you think people on here might actually be impressed, then try to keep the realistic next time okay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tofer View Post
    Well, I don't think any one is going to help you because people don't have much patience for people who are clearly liars.

    For example, your claim of a 600 lbs squat at 165 lbs? Clearly a lie. According to strength standards at http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...Standards.html a squat of 600 lbs at 165 lbs would put you well past elite territory. In fact, your claim to have squatted 425 for 4 sets of 10 reps? Also, clearly a lie. 445 for a one-rep max is elite territory and you're doing reps of 10 with almost as much weight? Ha.


    So if you want to come in here and make up fake numbers, because you think people on here might actually be impressed, then try to keep the realistic next time okay?
    R u serious? U have got to be kidding me...Well, lets see...I was at the High School just the other day and I watched a Freshman that weighs roughly 180lbs max out at 330 on bench and he's only been working out a few months, and he is only 14......As a matter of fact, we had 150lbs receivers who could bench 315 3-4times easily....they also ran 4.3s in the 40 consistently, but I guess ur gonna say thats unheard of too right? Man, u better pic up a TX HIGH School football magazine or something....There is always some guy who is in the stands, or at home watching someone on TV trying to tell the world what people are unable to do, simply b/c they couldn't do it....Please do more research before u bash someone....Now, I came to this site to be on board w/people like myself, and that is people that love to workout...Not people that want to criticize and hate others b/c they have done, are doing, and/or will do something that the person hating simply can't do or believe...
    But I'm not gonna have bad thoughts about this site b/c of ur lack of knowledge on the subject at hand, nor will I argue w/u about it...U see, a wise man never argues w/a fool, b/c from a distance u can't tell who is who....I guess ur gonna tell me I'm lieing about that as well right?
    Last edited by Tru Texan; 11-28-2006 at 10:14 AM.
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    By the way...I just checked ur lil standards chart...and um, I was damn near in the elite for bench about three months ago.... I weighed about 195 and was benching 315lbs.....and if u look at my stats now, I'm 213, currently benching 325 and WILL be at 350 soon...so I guess I'm lieing about that two? And now that I think about it, the guy I workout with, is maybe 205lbs, and he benches 405lbs easily....So since I'm such a liar, lets ask the site if there are any people on here that are exceeding what is considered ELITE by the standards according to the chart u provided, how bout it?
    Last edited by Tru Texan; 11-28-2006 at 10:58 AM.
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    I couldn't really make it through your entire inane ramble, but I'll state once again that this site http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/worl...sub_jun_pl.htm is a comprehensive list of powerlifting records. If you want to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about, that's cool, but I didn't make the records up. But hey, I'd like to see these 150lb receivers benching 315 four times with a full range of motion. If you could post that video it would totally make my day.

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