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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #26
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    So Will, this is true obviously you just proved yourself, but is it also safe to say when bulking the strength gains will be GREATER for LONGER?
    2000 or bust

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    If that's how you're lifting. If you're doing just a hypertrophy routine then the strength gains might not be as much as somebody else who's doing a strength routine while eating maintenance.
    What is elite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeYield View Post
    If that's how you're lifting. If you're doing just a hypertrophy routine then the strength gains might not be as much as somebody else who's doing a strength routine while eating maintenance.
    true, but what if you are on a low rep balls to the wall routine and eating above or well above maintenance?
    2000 or bust

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    Oh, this is a cool thread.

    Aite then...

    Say I do BB bench, 3-5 freaking heavy, same with a missioary. Do DB benching, 6-8, DB shoulder press same reps.

    On the bar, I can get strong, and on the DBs I can get the hypetrophy.

    Eat a few hundered over mait. 4 months later.... 20 lbs heavier?

    And a ****lod stronger.
    Being a strong teenager means nothing.

    My wrists hurt, but some people don't have wrists to be sore. My knees have tendinitis, but some people don't have legs to get tendinitis in. I seem to be going backwards with training, yet some people can't even walk let alone lift 400 pounds on a daily basis.

    Dust out the vagina, and keep on lifting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    true, but what if you are on a low rep balls to the wall routine and eating above or well above maintenance?
    In that case, then, yes.
    What is elite?
    "Those who work the hardest often complain the least." -anonymous
    Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.

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    As far as forced reps go, hey once in a while I don't see the harm. Personally I never do forced reps on my compound movements, I only do them in isolation movements.

    As far as gaining strength without putting pounds it's obviously possible. We've all done it, especially when we first started. But, it will take A LOT longer to gain strength that way then you would eating enough to grow bigger.

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    I dont think the food is the key factor in this. When lifting weights higher reps = Muscle Mass. Lower reps dont add near as much mass but increase power better and faster.

    Probably do all your lifts 3 x 3 or 3 x 2 x 1 or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmitty199 View Post
    I dont think the food is the key factor in this. When lifting weights higher reps = Muscle Mass. Lower reps dont add near as much mass but increase power better and faster.

    Probably do all your lifts 3 x 3 or 3 x 2 x 1 or something.
    Food is always the key factor.
    Last edited by LouPac; 12-01-2006 at 05:57 PM.

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    Ok its been going well the last two weeks. I was weighed in at 98kg on thursday down ~2kg on fat. I recon I could sweat another 1kg no trouble. The big bonus is my first body weight clean and jerk as of yesterday. I think this could work!

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    It's definately possible! I'veen around around 160lbs for well over a year now...

    When i first reached 160 or so, I was squatting around 500, benching 340ish, and deadlifting high 400's.

    Now as time has passed, im still at about 160(163 at my last contest to be exact), my best lifts are a 660 squat, 415 bench, and 600 deadlift for 2 singles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deciever View Post
    It's definately possible! I'veen around around 160lbs for well over a year now...

    When i first reached 160 or so, I was squatting around 500, benching 340ish, and deadlifting high 400's.

    Now as time has passed, im still at about 160(163 at my last contest to be exact), my best lifts are a 660 squat, 415 bench, and 600 deadlift for 2 singles.
    You got videos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deciever View Post
    It's definately possible! I'veen around around 160lbs for well over a year now...

    When i first reached 160 or so, I was squatting around 500, benching 340ish, and deadlifting high 400's.

    Now as time has passed, im still at about 160(163 at my last contest to be exact), my best lifts are a 660 squat, 415 bench, and 600 deadlift for 2 singles.
    What federation do you lift in?
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    LOL, i knew somebody would ask that . . . . I lift in AAPF and i'm doing a USAPL meet soon

    I'm at work now so i dont have access to all my regular stuff. but hre's a few pics of me benhcing 400 and 410, a deadlift pic with 550 or something, a short vid of a 600 dl, and a picture of me coming up with 660. . .

    600 DL -- Short clip cuts out at top
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    660 squat pictures didn't get added
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    Very nice! With a name like "Deciever" it never hurts to ask for a little verification.

    When is your next meet?
    What is elite?
    "Those who work the hardest often complain the least." -anonymous
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    haha thanks man, i appreciate the comments

    I'm either doing a USAPL meet in early spring ( hoping to total 1600ish @ 165 in the usapl.. that'd be sick) or an AAPF meet in february ( hoping for 10x bw)

    I want to get at least one more meet in before I turn twenty.

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    Whats up Admin.

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    Haha, damn kevin, you're everywhere

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    Haha, just here and FI with you guys.

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    Jeez Deciever, you're impressive.

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    thanks man!

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    No **** man, you're not even twenty?

    That's damn impressive.
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    awesome Deciever!

    any chance you can list your split and what you've done to become so strong at such a low weight?
    5'10", 170lbs, 10% bf

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    What kind of strength do you want? What are you targeting?

    The others have covered diet etc.

    If you combine a sizable aerobic component as per you boxing training you will not build muscle at the same rate as a body builder.

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    Impressive indeed Deceiver...
    What are your RAW lifts?
    Age: 25 Height:5/9" Weight: 180lbs/ 80kgs


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    Bench: 325lbs/ 145kgs
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