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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Rows better for hypertrophy than deads?

    I was thinking about something, and I was wondering what everyonelse thought.

    If somone is training and hypertrophy is their number one priority, would it make more sense to do rows rather than deads. I know many people include both, but say you could only do one just for the sake of argument.

    Dont rows (bentover or BB's or Db's) target the upper portion of the back more than deads? And doesnt the upper back have a greater potential for hypertrophy (since the muscles are bigger).

    I know deads work more muscles, but on another thread most agreed that shrugs work the traps better than deads.

    Im not dissing deadlifts, im just wondering if this makes any sense to other people too.

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    I think that bentover t-bar rows are better then standard deads for upper back hypertrophy. Deads maybe better at forcing the body to secrete the anabolic hormones necessary for growth, but when it comes to packing on mass to the upper back, bentover Yates rows, and bentover "Mason" t-bar rows get the job done!


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    I would never use deads to target the upper back.
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    You can't replace deads with rows or vice-versa. They are meant to work completely different muscles.


    If you want hypertrophy in your lats, row and chin.


    If you want to be a man, row, chin and deadlift.
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    If I don't deadlift, but still lift heavy, what am I? Am I a pseudo-man, a dog, a wo-man, a wannabeman, or what???

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    I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to the lil kid who had a hissy-fit because his neighbors had a party. I figured the deads would toughen him up a bit so maybe he doesn't get beat up.


    PS-Just for the record, not doing them makes you a girlie-man.
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    Hmmm, these all seem to be female references (except the ******, you crazy Brits). So, if a woman doesn't deadlift, what is she???? Hah! Now I've got ya!

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    If a man and woman would do deadlifts togther, it would be pretty embarrasing, because their asses would be all over the place.

    But like if a man doesnt Deadlift, he can like make Waffels for the other guys who does deads, and he better make em good, mmm a waffel man the gym....and he always has that yummy red jam...mmmm.
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    Mason in that case she is a big shining dildo

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    Haha..or making me some pie!

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    So deads are better for adding mass because they force the body to secrete hormones?

    Is there any other reason?

    We agree that shrugs are better for traps, and rows are better for back. Personally, I have seen 0 forearm growth from deads.

    I can see how they are a good exercise for strength, but I think a combo of other exercises would be better if one's only goal is hypertrophy.

    What do some others think?

    BTW Latman who beats me up? And how does not doing deads make somone any less of a man? I think the person with the biggest muscles is more of a man, not whoever deadlifts more. A deadlift is just a specific exercise.

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    Originally posted by chris mason
    Hmmm, these all seem to be female references (except the ******, you crazy Brits). So, if a woman doesn't deadlift, what is she???? Hah! Now I've got ya!

    Chris, I think it depends on if her ring finger or index finger is longer.


    hmmm... On second thought, does doing deads make a man's index finger longer?
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    Hall wrote "I think that the (person) (brackets mine) with the biggest muscles is more of a man." Well hall, were that true, some female bodybuilders would be "more of a man" to use your phrase than nearly anyone on this board (the pro females anyway) And as for the male pro bodybuilders, after a heavy steroid cycle they're not known for being "much of a man" (if you know what I mean)

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    Rows are better for hypertrophy in the back.

    People who do deadlifts die.
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    Originally posted by DaChickenShowYo
    Rows are better for hypertrophy in the back.

    People who do deadlifts die.
    Seriously, though, isn't this how Jan Pall Sigmarrson died?

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    Originally posted by ExtremeAnabolic
    Hall wrote "I think that the (person) (brackets mine) with the biggest muscles is more of a man." Well hall, were that true, some female bodybuilders would be "more of a man" to use your phrase than nearly anyone on this board (the pro females anyway)
    So what if a woman did deadlifts, would that make her more of a man than all the men around the world that dont?

    I think this should be added to the biggest myths in bodybuilding thread. The myth that to be a man one has to deadlift.

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    Originally posted by the_hall


    So what if a woman did deadlifts, would that make her more of a man than all the men around the world that dont?

    I think this should be added to the biggest myths in bodybuilding thread. The myth that to be a man one has to deadlift.

    Its good to know people are finally starting to get it.
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    Seriously, though, isn't this how Jan Pall Sigmarrson died?
    Is this true?
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    Chicken- just because you hurt yourself doing a max dead of 135 lbs, doesn't mean you have to diss on the greatest lift ever.


    Take your skirts off you pansy-asses and get your shins bloody!!
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