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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Need help understanding something

    Ok before I start I just want to say I am not one those guys that get caught up in accomplishments of others. I try to only worry about myself and improve as much as I can.

    Everytime I go to the gym there is this guy that is there. He is the most huge and ripped dude i have ever seen. If I would have to guess his stats I would say 6'3- 6'4", 260-280 lbs and about 6-8% BF. I would imagine a ton of hard work would go into maintaining that physique let alone building it. But the thing is this guy is never working hard and hardly does any compound movements. He does a lot of cable work with light weight and not that many reps...the only compound work I ever saw him do was lat pull downs with a weight I would have a very easy time with for no more than 10 reps and leg press with 3 45's on each side for like 10 reps (there are girls that do that).

    It is obvious he is on the juice, but what I don't get is even if he is on the juice how does one get that big w/o putting in much hard work at all. The only thing I can think of is maybe he busts his a$$ some other time when I am not there. If that is the case (which I don't see) then why would one waste their time with sets with light weight and not that many reps?

    Another thing If I could work like he does and get that big and ripped, I would have the mentality that says if I work hard doing heavy compound movements and actually broke a sweat. Does steroids really make weightlifting this easy?

    Like I said I am not being the crybaby saying "why can't I be as big as him" I try to only concern my results with myself. This is more of understanding why.

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    Getting big is very difficult.

    Staying big isn't nearly as hard to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Stagg View Post
    Getting big is very difficult.

    Staying big isn't nearly as hard to do.

    Really...I always thought just to maintain it took hard work. If i would do his routine I am sure I would get weaker. But if so it still doesnt make sense to me considering the weight he uses I can very easily do if i chose to do those exercises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bics56 View Post
    Really...I always thought just to maintain it took hard work. If i would do his routine I am sure I would get weaker. But if so it still doesnt make sense to me considering the weight he uses I can very easily do if i chose to do those exercises.
    I wouldnt say staying big is a cake walk.....like you cant be HUGE and expect to be able to sit around all day eating twinkies and expect to always stay in that shape.

    However, its not nearly as hard to stay big as it is to get big. Simply because you dont have to train as hard (not trying to build muscle). You also get more breathing room in other areas that you otherwise would have to be perfect in (diet).

    EDIT: The kid worked his butt off to be that big steroids are not. I think he may be recovering from injury, an illness or he may just be going through some life crisis. I'd ask him, tell him you really admire him and you're curious as to what routine he does. I'm sure he'd like the compliment and if not then atleast he'll give you some sort of answer.
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    Maybe he's there for active recovery.
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    ^^
    That's what I was thinking. I go to a cleaner and larger gym on campus that has pretty ladies instead of sweaty men when I do my active recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betastas View Post
    ^^
    That's what I was thinking. I go to a cleaner and larger gym on campus that has pretty ladies instead of sweaty men when I do my active recovery.
    I do lazy recovery. I sit on my ass for a week eating maitanence while being pissed off that I can't workout.
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    Or maybe he does two workout's a day and he does his heavy compound lifts in the morning when you aren't around.
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    I never thought of the injury recovery, which is what it could be. It would have to be a total body injury considering he trains everything with very little effort. But I still think it is not the case...I guess it will just be a mystery.

    Jordon, I actually thought of that. But I have a flaw of never sugar coating what I say. I would really want to ask him how do you get as big as you are with doing hardly any compund work while using weight that is less that what i would use. I then would procede to ask him what does he put into his body to produce those results. I am sure he would get offended even though I am not trying to be insulting. And I am sure he would lie and say it is all natural or just take some supplements that do not include steroids since most people are either ashamed the take steroids or do not want to get into trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Sanchez View Post
    Or maybe he does two workout's a day and he does his heavy compound lifts in the morning when you aren't around.
    I think this may be the only thing that makes sense to me...but why would he do leg presses with a whopping 3 45's on each side or lat pulldowns with weight I could easily do.

    It just goes against everything I have learned to make sense to me.

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    Big guys don't always know what they're doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bics56 View Post
    I never thought of the injury recovery, which is what it could be. It would have to be a total body injury considering he trains everything with very little effort. But I still think it is not the case...I guess it will just be a mystery.
    Active recovery isn't just for injuries ... it can be used to help muscles recover from a hard workout. So it's very possible he's hitting things hard in the morning and then coming back at night to increase blood flow, practise form, whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Active recovery isn't just for injuries ... it can be used to help muscles recover from a hard workout. So it's very possible he's hitting things hard in the morning and then coming back at night to increase blood flow, practise form, whatever.

    That makes sense then...would one do active recovery for hours at a time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bics56 View Post
    That makes sense then...would one do active recovery for hours at a time?
    I can think of a few situations where "yes" would be the answer ... playing a sport, going to the beach to swim, etc.

    But as for 2+ hours of active recovery in the gym ... I personally wouldn't be doing that.
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    A combination of being an athlete and having good genetics could make that guy huge. I know I'd be pretty tired to hit the wieghts hard if I was playing, say, hockey every day.

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    mind-muscle

    If you've mastered the mind muscle connection, you can lift with a fraction of the weight and feel as though you've maxed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzBboy View Post
    If you've mastered the mind muscle connection, you can lift with a fraction of the weight and feel as though you've maxed out.
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    or maybe hes a genetic freak with a ton of muscle. gorillas eat bananas and dont exercise and theyre huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzBboy View Post
    If you've mastered the mind muscle connection, you can lift with a fraction of the weight and feel as though you've maxed out.
    What in the world are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sCaRz*Of*PaiN View Post
    What in the world are you talking about?
    It's basically an ego-free effective way of training. You don't care whats on the bar, your a BODYBUILDER, not a POWERLIFTER. It focuses more on quality of contraction, really tensing and squeezing, deeply focusing on the muscles working, rather than the amount of weight moving. I first read about it from ifbb pro milos sarcev, I don't train this way, but I'm noting it cus perhaps thats how this fella trains, quality over quantity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzBboy View Post
    It's basically an ego-free effective way of training. You don't care whats on the bar, your a BODYBUILDER, not a POWERLIFTER. It focuses more on quality of contraction, really tensing and squeezing, deeply focusing on the muscles working, rather than the amount of weight moving. I first read about it from ifbb pro milos sarcev, I don't train this way, but I'm noting it cus perhaps thats how this fella trains, quality over quantity.
    I personally just sit there and envision getting bigger while I curl 12 ounce cans of miller lite.

    11 ounce.

    10 ounce.

    9 ounce.

    After a few cases...uh... sets, I realize what an idiotic theory this is and pass out.

    I usually work out the next day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belial View Post
    I personally just sit there and envision getting bigger while I curl 12 ounce cans of miller lite.
    Jesus, at least drink MGD. Have you no shame?

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    theres always weird people at the gym, just get used to it. tiny people lifting huge weight with proper form, huge people lifting tiny weight with terrible form, etc, the world is full of different people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzBboy View Post
    It's basically an ego-free effective way of training. You don't care whats on the bar, your a BODYBUILDER, not a POWERLIFTER. It focuses more on quality of contraction, really tensing and squeezing, deeply focusing on the muscles working, rather than the amount of weight moving. I first read about it from ifbb pro milos sarcev, I don't train this way, but I'm noting it cus perhaps thats how this fella trains, quality over quantity.


    No matter what training you do, it should be "ego-free". The saying goes "Leave your ego at the door." If you let your ego get in the way, you could end up injuring yourself.
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