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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    T+P's log...

    I decided I wanted to jump on the Westside band wagon.

    today I did the Speed day, or DE squat/dead day. I got this routine off of the article from WBB, it looks different than the 9 week sample one off of elitefts.com

    Squats- said to use 50% of 1RM, so I estimated around 235, did that for 10 sets of 2.

    Deadlifts- did 265 for 2 sets of 1, then moved up to 275 for 4 sets of 1

    Then did some Conventional style deads, don't know how to do those different exercises listed.
    275x8, 295x7, 305x5-2 sets

    Did 3 sets of Reverse Hypers, those things work your back!! I need to add more weight next time, don't know how I'll do that.

    Then I called it a night, forgot to do some abs, maybe I'll do them later tonight.

    Using the light weights felt weird, but I was trying to get that explosion it talks about in the article.

    I'm not doing everything exactly how it says, but I'm going along the same guidelines.
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    good luck bro.

    glad to see you over here. the majority of boards on the net are crap; this one is awesome. hope you stick around.

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    How much are you weighing now time? 470 squat is very nice! Do you lift raw or equiped?
    Best Meet @ Lifts@181:...............Best gym lifts
    Squat...- 403..........................Squat....- 395 w/belt
    Bench...- 303..........................Bench....- 300....Paused in meet - 281
    Deadlift.- 503.....Unofficial 513...Deadlift..- 490
    Total....- 1,203...IPF Class II......All done raw, Touch'n go bench

    "Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly" Robert F. Kennedy

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    Adam, I used a suit for the Deads, and I used knee wraps and a suit for the Squats. My goal for now is to be able to get up around 500 on both Squats and Deads with only a belt, and I wanna get up to 300 on my bench.

    Friday, I had DE Bench Day
    Flat BB Bench- 8x3@155
    3 Board BB Presses- 205x5, 215x5, 225x5
    T Bar Rows- 125x10, 135x10, 140x8
    Skull Crushers- 90x10, 100x6, 100x6
    Side DB Raises- 2x15@15

    Was a good workout overall, I can really feel it in my delts and tri's today. I had to use school books instead of boards.

    Next day I'll be lifting is Sunday with the ME Squat and Deadlifts.
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    ME Squat/Deadlift

    Good Morning-close stance
    175x6
    185x6
    205x5
    215x5
    235x2, form really started to Fuk up
    175x10

    Box Squats
    205x8 225x8 245x7

    Reverse Hypers
    BWx12 BWx15 BW+5x10

    Decline Crunches- 4 sets with weight

    I was realy tired after the Box Squats. Next workout, I'm gonna work on my Good Morning form, I felt like I was rounding my back to much.
    On Box Squats I'm gonna start off around 235 for my first set
    And on the Reverse Hypers, I'm gonna start holding weight tween my feet.

    Here are some rough estimates for goals
    Current
    Weight- 185
    Squat- 495 w/suit and wraps
    Deadlift- 485 w/Suit
    Bench- 260
    Total- 1,240

    Goals for October
    Weight- 195
    Squat- 565 w/suit and wraps
    Deadlift- 545 w/suit
    Bench- 315
    Total- 1,425

    Those are what I want to get, but we'll see if I progress a lot or a little over the next few months, I may have to tweak them, hopefully by making them higher!!

    Tuesday is Bench day.
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    Looks good, man. Any idea what your max squat/dead are without equipment?
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    Those are some nice numbers!
    what kind of suits are you using? right now i use a champion squat suit and just singlet for the deads. I have a centaurion nxg but have to send it back for alterations.
    Best Meet @ Lifts@181:...............Best gym lifts
    Squat...- 403..........................Squat....- 395 w/belt
    Bench...- 303..........................Bench....- 300....Paused in meet - 281
    Deadlift.- 503.....Unofficial 513...Deadlift..- 490
    Total....- 1,203...IPF Class II......All done raw, Touch'n go bench

    "Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly" Robert F. Kennedy

    "A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he gives up"

    "However beautiful the strategy you should occasionally look at the results" John Berardi

    Powerlifting Westside Style

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    DE Bench- 8 sets at 160x3, then 195 for 1, speed was good I think at least
    Close Grip 2 Boards- 215x5, 225x5,4
    Skull Crushers- 85x10, 90x9,9
    T-Bar Rows- 80x12, 90x10,10
    2 sets of Side DB Raises

    Workout was good overall, I think my speed is good, but not sure exactly how fast you are supposed to do the weight, but I think I got it down. Also am I supposed to be increasing my weight 5 % each week or what?

    Adam, I'm not sure what type the suit is, my gym owner gave it to me. I will eventually probably get a new one, that is better, and I may end up getting a bench shirt also. I'm not really experienced with PLing equipment yet, so I don't know what is good and what sizes and how it should fit.

    I didn't realize to wash my suit before my comp, so it was real lose, I doubt it really helped all that much, I could get it on myself without much struggle. Compared to when I first put it on, I needed help, it just got stretched more and more.

    Adam correction, my suit is a single ply, that's all I know, didn't ask what maker, but I'm thinking in the future, like end of the year, I'll get a new and improved suit.
    Last edited by Time + Patience; 03-26-2002 at 05:58 PM.
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    I am leaving for Panama City, Florida tomorrow night! So I won't be filling out much in my journal for the next week.

    I will be going to the gym down there, and I'll be trying to eat good also, not sure how good I'll be able to eat though. I won't be doing Westside while down there, I'll just be doing whatever to get my lift on.

    And tonight at Rugby I got a hard knee right to my right thigh, swollen like hail, we were planning on running on the beach, and I had DE Squats/Deads tomorrow. Hopefully it will be better in a few days.

    Well I'll be back next Saturday, later guys.
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    I'm going to jump back into my journal. That injury from Rugby, put me out of the gym til around June. I got lazy also.

    Have been back into things for about 3-4 months. Deads are at an all time high... 495 for 1 with just a belt. And I weigh around the same but am bigger than ever!

    I had some high goals when I look back on my journal.

    I am torn between Bodybuilding and Powerlifting. I think I'll be sticking wih more PLing, and try to gain size through my diet, while keeping my weight around 195-200 at the most. Plan on competing at the 181 lb class for PLing

    Current stats
    Weight- 188ish
    Bench- 270x1
    Dead, sumo- 495x1
    Squat- 405x2
    ** all raw

    I have intentions of competing in a PLing meet around March. Not sure which Federation I wanna compete in.

    Would also Like to do a BBing comp sometime this next year also.
    Last edited by Time + Patience; 11-24-2002 at 08:23 PM.
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    For Tuesday 10-29

    Back and Biceps
    Pullups- 14, 10, 10, 9, 11, a few were assisted at the end of the sets
    BB rows- 155x10 175x10 185x10 195x8 then a drop set, took 20 pounds off until I hit 95 pounds, very hard set, loved it
    Shrugs- 3 sets for feel, dont really keep track of weight
    Curls- 6 sets for feel, stayed on cables, went light and high reps.

    Workout went good, will add weight on the pullups next week, and will start out heavier on the BB Rows. That drop set took a lot out of me.

    I have legs in about 1 hour.
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    good luck T&P

    glad to have ya back around

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    Good to see ya around man.
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    Wednesday
    Leg day

    PowerLifting Squats
    355x5 365x5 385x4 365x4 375x3 I was mad cuz the 355 and 365 felt heavier than they should have

    Box Squats from a 15 inch box

    225x4 245x3 265x3 275x3 295x3 315x3

    Glute Ham Raises 3 sets of around 15 reps
    Leg Extensions 3 sets of around 15 reps

    Was out of it after the Squats, cuz I was mad that the weights were feeling so heavy.

    Not a bad workout, the Box Squats felt good, will start off a bit heavier next week.

    I think I'll be going a little lighter next week. I am contemplating doing Squats twice a week, I just need a kick in the ass with my Squats and legs.

    Shoulders and Tri's tomorrow. I will make up for today's workout!!!
    Last edited by Time + Patience; 10-30-2002 at 07:07 PM.
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    Thursday

    Shoulders/Triceps

    Arnld Presses DB
    60x9 60x8 60x9 60x8 dropset 40x8 40x12

    Side DB Raises Loose form
    30x12 30x8 30x8 30x8 drop set with 15 and 10

    OverHead BB Extentsions
    90x12 95x11 100x9 drop set 80 and 60

    Calf Raises 5 sets

    Had an ok workout, felt ****ty coming in, but got better after my first set of Arnold Presses. I haven't really been focused lately, not sure if it's my partner or what??
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    Hey dude! What's happening?

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    I work at the gym i workout at, and I worked from open to close.

    So I just did some Squats

    Close Stance Squats
    245x10 255x10 265x10 275x10 295x10

    I didn't have much energy, but my legs felt that.

    I normally Dead on saturdays, and do box squats afterwards.

    Tomorrow is Bench day.
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    Sunday Chest and Tri's

    Flat BB w/Chains
    205x3 210x3 215x3 225x2 185x5

    Lockouts w/Chains
    185x3 205x3 215x3 225x3 245x3<--- did this last week w/out chains

    Incline DB Flyes
    40x15 45x8 45x9

    JM presses
    95x15 105x9 105x10

    Heavy DB Laterals
    35x10 35x7 35x6 35x5

    My chest and tri's were pretty fried, a damn good workout.

    The chains are 5 feet long and 1/2 inch thick, the collars and chains weigh about 50 pounds at the top of the bench, I use the whole set for Flat BB Bench, but for lockouts, I only use the 1/2 inch chains, so that's only about 40 pounds at the top. I've been using them for about 3 workouts now. I like them a lot so far.

    My next goal is to be benching around 300 by X-Mas. I think i'm around 275 now.

    Tomorrow is an off day and Tuesday is back and bi's
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    How do you set up the chains so they rest on the floor with only using the 1/2" chain?? I only do that with floor presses because you are so close to the ground anyway. On normal benches and squats I have to use the smaller chain to rig it up.
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
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    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    545 SQ 305 BE 585 DL

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    I do the same thing you do, you must have read my post wrong, i said for floor presses I only use the 1/2 inch chains, but for Flat BB Bench I gotta use the smaller chains and the collars so the 1/2 inchers will reach the floor.

    How do you like the chains? I have yet to use them on Squats, how do u like them for Squats? I was thinking of trying them for Deads sometime also.
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    I gotcha.

    I like em. I have experimented a little with using both bands and chains on the bar for box squats. Those were cool. I have not done regular squats with bands or chains, only box squats. They are excellent on the box though. Haven't tried them on deads yet.

    Chain on floor presses are great too. Have you done any suspended work with them? Goodmornings or anything?
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 535 SQ 300 BE 570 DL.....1400 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    545 SQ 305 BE 585 DL

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    Ok I"m a day behind on posting, had a busy day yesterday, school, gym, then worked both jobs.

    Yesterdays workout....

    Back and Biceps
    Weighted Pullups
    BW+10x8 +15x9 +20x9 BWx13

    BB Rows
    165x10 175x8 185x8 205x10 215x8 Dropset *the drop set was killer

    Pulldowns Behind Neck
    3 sets for 15 reps, went for the squeeze

    Didn't have time to work biceps, cuz my training partner is so slow and he's a puss. He was being a whimp about the drop set on the BB Rows.

    Good workout for my back

    Today was Leg Day

    20 Rep Squats*first time ever for these
    2 warmups then 315x20
    ** After my 12th rep I knew I could of added 5-10 more pounds, but the 16th rep and beyond were so damn hard. Dropped to the floor as soon as I was done. My legs weren't as shot as they should have been.

    Box Squats w/chains-15inch box
    245x3 265x3 275x3 295x3 315x3 325x3

    SLDL- didn't go heavy on these
    135x10 155x10 175x10 185x10

    Overall a good leg workout. I liked the 20 reppers and Latman, the Box Squats with the chains were great!!

    Tomorrow is Shoulders and Tri's
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    Delts and Tri's

    BB Military
    165x6 175x6 185x2 185x2 drop to 135x9

    DB Military
    70x5 70x6 70x6

    DB Side Raises
    35x10+5 half reps 35x6+6 35x6+6

    Overhead BB Ext
    90x10 95x10 100x8

    Was a good workout for my shoulders, I usually train tri's twice a week once real hard and once light.
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    Saturday

    Deadlift Day

    Sumo Deadlifts
    405x1 455x2 475x1-easy 500 couldn't get it first time around then regrouped and got it past my knees then just lost my balance, I basically got it, so I was happy. I'm thinking I'll be doing high 500's at my next meet!!

    Speed Deads
    235x2-3 quick reps for 6 sets

    Box Squats- sumo stance and 13 inch box
    235x3 245x3 265x3 275x3 295x3 315x3

    BB Rows
    155x12 160x12 165x12 165x12

    Light Bi work

    I realized after my workout that my weight for the speed Deads was to light, I should be using around 260-280. And I just wanted to do them again, I know Westside has a separate day for Speed work and Max Effort. I like doing the Speed work after the heavy deads. I don't like doing the Speed work on a day of it's own.

    I'll see if doing it this way works, so we'll see at X-mas time. Goal is to Deadlift a 525 at X-Mas.

    Overall it was a good workout. I know there is no real method 2 what I do, but I like it so far.

    Tomorrow is Chest and Tri's
    It takes TIME + PATIENCE to make gains.

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    Remember "The Terminator" from MM.com? Well that's me. What's happening bro?

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