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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #1
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    6-8 or 8-12 whats better?

    I here it everyday and everyone got their own opinion. Which is better for size and then strength.
    i want to put size on but i don't want to be weak if you know what i mean.
    what do you think of this? A trainer gave it to me. I am doing wbb 1 but still dont know if its enough I like a 4 day.

    day 1 chest/bi's
    flat bench 3x8-12
    decline db press 3x8-12
    dips 3x10
    fly's 3x8-12

    hammer curls 3x8-12
    straight bar curls 3x8-12
    abs treadmill 15 min

    day 2 legs
    squats 4x8-12
    lunges 3x8-12
    sldl 3x8-12
    seated calve raises 3x10-20
    front squats 3x8-12

    day3 off

    day 4 shoulders/tri's
    military press 3x8-12
    db press 3x8-12
    shrugs db 2x10 bb2x10
    lateral raises 3x8-12
    db lying rear delts 3x8-12

    close grip press 3x8-12
    skull crusher 3x8-12
    cable pull down 3x8-12

    abs tredmill 15 min

    day 5 back
    deads 4x8-12
    seated cable rows 3x8-12
    bent over bb rows 3x8-12
    pull ups 3xfailure

    Tread 15 min

    Day6/7 off maybe treadmill

    I want size 1st should i try this or stay with wbb1

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    Stick with WBB1, it match's your goals better IMO.
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    I donno about everyone else But I happen to like that routine. Screw the treadmill though.
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    You say you like the routine okay but out of the 2 witch would put the size on better or would they both work as long as I'm putting the weight on the bar and up.

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    Diet has a lot to do with size.

    I would stick with WBB1 and and really push yourself. AND really concentrate on your diet.
    Make Shift IF diet
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    CF WOD and Recomp...
    "My fault. I was fiddling with the Gravitational Constant of the Universe again.
    I've set it back - you might need to reboot, though..." -Built

    "Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal--
    nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong attitude" - Thomas J

    "Obsessed is what the lazy call the dedicated" - Slim Schaedle

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    Calories will help you put on weight. What's your diet like?
    "The only easy day was yesterday."

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    Yea the diet tip is good. Personally I would start with WBB1 and then after 6-8 weeks switch to that program only lower the reps to the 6-10 range.

    Your main focus should definitely be diet though.
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    Deit is very good a freind of mine is a sports nutritionist so he set me up with a good meal plan. Also no touched base on the 6-8 or 8-12 what is better. Hey scarz what you think of the other routine.

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    Because the rep ranges aren't nearly as important. Start with the what WBB 1 says and adjust from there.
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    Goals:
    CF WOD and Recomp...
    "My fault. I was fiddling with the Gravitational Constant of the Universe again.
    I've set it back - you might need to reboot, though..." -Built

    "Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal--
    nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong attitude" - Thomas J

    "Obsessed is what the lazy call the dedicated" - Slim Schaedle

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    use a variety of rep ranges

    i go from 1 all the way to 20+ on some cases.
    2000 or bust

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    Stumprrp has been known to do upwards of 49 reps on somethings.
    Change is the constant, the signal for rebirth, the egg of the phoenix.

    Link to my change http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=85798

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    6 or lower reps would be more towards strength, while 10-12 would be for hypertrophy.

    That routine is okay. WBB1 is better IMO.

    The problem with that routine is that there is just too much volume.
    For example, why would one do squats, and then front squats on the same day? If you're lifting like you should be (Heavy), you'll be too fatigued to do the front squats.

    That routine could be decent by removing a few things.

    What I would change:
    Day 1:
    Remove Flys
    Remove both of the curls and just do plain old dumbbell curls. If a barbell is more your style, that would work too, but I believe DBs are better for curls.

    Day 2:
    Remove Front squats

    Day 4:
    Remove shrugs, raises, delts, and pulldown.

    Day 5:
    This actually looks good to me. The only thing I would do is lower the deadlift reps. 8-12 is way too high IMO. I really think 3-5 reps with heavy weight is way better for deads.
    Forever Goal: Strength

    Weightlifting sucks. I just like to lift heavy things.

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    Treadmills are crap. You aren't carrying your weight. Run outside or get on a bike.

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    it's freezing out i wish i could.I tried hurts my lungs when heavy breathing

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    learning it doesn't really make a difference
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    Learning what? I like the ubove routine and wbb1 but would rather do a 4 day not a 3 feels better.

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    Too much fluff in that workout. Gym candy. Vanity movements. Too much time and energy wasted on six sets of curls. Why? In order to assuage the guilt of ignoring more useful exercises, perhaps. Most of the trainers I've met tend to like this sort of fluff, and encourage their clients to do it. Stand in front of the big mirrors and curl til your arms turn blue. Seems dumb to me, but what do I know?

    You're spending a full 33% of your lifting time on Day 1 concentrating on what amounts to only about 4% of your body's muscle mass, biceps.

    I'd advise you to stick with tried and true routines...WBB, Rippetoe, Starr, etc. They work. Thousand of big, strong peole will attest to that. Why reinvent the wheel?

    Get your diet straight. Today. You can exercise yourself diligently forever, but if you don't eat right you'll only be fatigued...and small...and weak...and disappointed.


    Good luck.
    Last edited by beatlesfreak; 01-11-2007 at 12:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    use a variety of rep ranges

    i go from 1 all the way to 20+ on some cases.
    Word. Ideally, according to Christian Thibadeau of T-Nation, you should change rep ranges every 2-3 weeks on a periodized routine. This will reduce the effects of energy system adaptation and will force further growth in order to be able to lift heavier weights.
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    I agree with chris686. Drop what he said and it would be decent. If you want a 4 day routine look at BGB.
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