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Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Cop out??

    I had an interesting conversation with some guy in the gym the other day. I was working in with this one guy, fairly big guy himself, great physique about 230 id say.

    and then this other guy comes up and begins asking us workout advice he says the one thing that always makes me cringe when people say it. he said "yeah man i dont want to be big or anything just to be lean" now i understand not everyone wants to be the next ronnie coleman, hell i dont. But i do want to be big, i want to fill out my clothes. i want my muscles to bulge and be big and look big in clothing.

    Now ive learned not to dwell on things like this anymore and leave each person to there own thing. But when the guy walks off the guy i was working with said something very interesting.

    he said "thats a ****ing cop out" i looked at him and i said yeah man but u know not everyone truly wants to be huge. he said yeah i understand that but its easy to achieve that. its hard to get in here and bust your ass for muscle. he said its easy to be on the elliptical for 30 mins than slave under the squat rack for 5 rough sets. its easier to do pec deck than lay on the bench and move some heavy weight. and by saying you dont want to be big and bulky is a cop out of your possibilty of failure. they are scared to work and fail and or not succeed.


    he went on a rant for a while which i might add was very interesting to listen to. his main point was that sure not everyone wants to have the freakishly huge body to walk across the stage but anyone with a physique thats worth admiring has to work for it and he views the phrase "i dont want to be big" is a safe cop out to hard work.


    in an essence i saw his point, due to the fact i cant fully type out his rant word for word really doesnt do justice to the points he was bringing up.


    So what do yall think about this phrase "i dont want to be big"


    ive always thought a long the lines of what the guy was talking about so he was pretty much preaching to the choir by talking to me...


    in the words of Dave Tate "when people say to me I dont want to be big i tell them dont worry about it because you wont"

    what are yalls take on this phrase when u hear a person say it in the context of working out??
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    That they have no idea what they're talking about, and have had everything handed to them thus far in their lives. Getting big isn't easy - in fact, it's a full time job for most people at WBB, and if someone thinks they're going to accidentally get big then they need a reality check.

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    I don't wanna get big or I just want to be lean = I don't want to work hard and have good self discipline.

    Like Tate said, you don't have to worry about getting very big, chances are even if you try your heart out you wont get that big.

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    everybody has their own goals

    on the flip side

    imo

    it's easy to put down 3500 or 4000 calories a day and gain size and weight on your lifts

    it's harder for me to try and stay <200 and gain strength

    i ballooned up to about 235 a couple of years ago and decided i was much happier with myself not rocking the gut

    and after a year of cutting and then a year of working out heavy(for me) i'm as strong as i was at 235 but i weigh 195-198

    and i plan on cutting again and in a year hopefuly be stronger than i am now but at maybe 185-190
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    Roark, Good point but unless your real tall 190 lean isn't terrible small especially if your less than 5'10" and real lean.

    Corey I think the guy is making a valid point. Sure some will be happy with a muscular chest bicep and abs. If they could have a more complete body and bigger, I bet they would take it.
    A similar thing is guys saying they don't care about being strong? Why bother, it may not be your main goal, but why not try to increase instead staying with the same wts.
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    i never wanted to be big and i have been lifting for 7years now, i lift to get stronger and be a better athlete but in the process i did gain size and since i started competing bb i decided i think i want to be big now lol

    but people lift for all different reasons, its hard to judge people when you dont know there story, but there are plenty of people out there who are to damn lazy to get in the weight room and move heavy weight
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    It is absolutely a cop out. "I don't want to be big" translates into "I'm a ****in wuss and I don't want anyone to see how weak I am, so I'm going to stick with these minimal ass weights so no one really knows how much of a bitch I am".

    No respect there. If you give effort and attempt to learn, no one will make fun of you. If you make excuses, they will. Myself included.
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    I've heard the "I don't wannabebig" line a couple times lately, curiously both times from high school football players who I have offered to assist in putting together a real strength training program. They declined any help and continued to occupy the squat rack to do their curl routines.

    I can't vouch for what was going on inside their curl-addicted little brains, but to me, translated into plain English, that statement means: "I only go the gym and only play sports to score chicks. I'd rather be home playing WoW."

    Like someone above said, it's an admission of failure, an expression of an unwillingness to face certain challeneges and make certain sacrifices.

    Each to his own. The world can always use more video game players, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WBBIRL View Post
    I don't wanna get big or I just want to be lean = I don't want to work hard and have good self discipline.

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    I'm going to have to disagree with this...how many girls do you know who would rather be big than lean for example?

    People have their own goals. If say they don't want to gain 50 pounds...it's not anyone else's place to tell them they should or criticize them for their goals.

    Who cares what other people do or want? Focus on yourself. If they ask for help, give it. If they don't want to follow it, ignore them and get back to improving yourself.
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    To me I see it as an excuse.
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    I see it as people not wanting to admit that their weak so they "say" their just lifting light because they dont wanna get big. Alot of people have ego's that need to be checked. This is why ALOT of people at the gym are only doing half ROM and using machines to make them look stronger.

    Or the "i'm too old to be doing squats and deadlifts". I see those as older people wanting to get in shape but having not much lifting experience in the past, so they dont realize that squats and deadlifts are 2 of the best exercises that can be done for the body. Even if they are just bodyweight to start out with.
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    It can be used an excuse, but the statement itself can be seen as perfectly respectable goal, equal to one who wants to get huge.

    Like ppl have said, everyone has different goals.

    I've been pretty big, could have gotten bigger, but have actually wanted to decrease a little to suit my goal - does this make me a cop-out?

    People change and have different goals. Some skinny person may want to get huge and love the increase lifting brings to his body, the same way a massive tank of a human being may want to decrease to a leaner look.

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    Come on! It's far from blatantly saying that someone is soley saying "I dont want to be big" as a cop out! I personally see it as someone that lacks the knowledge and any experience to understand what it takes to actually be big!
    I for one, dont want to be anywhere near the size of Ronnie, i have my own goals which dont accomodate a +250 build of pure muscle. Am i copping out because right now, i am maintaing weight, because i feel comfortable at this weight?

    I think you will find that the majority of people that say that phrase, are either referring to big like Ronnie, and the rest actually think that all you have to do get big is lift every day in the gym for a few months.
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    I don't think it is necessarily a cop out. For some people, I don't doubt it is. However, some people actually don't want to gain 40+lbs of lean mass. They want to decrease bodyfat or get down to a model size. While I do not have the same goals, their goals are their own for their reasons.

    It is also not fair to say that leaning down is any less work than gaining weight. Some of us have a hard time putting mass on, and some of us just have an easier time gaining weight. The same is true for losing bodyfat. Some people seem to cut effortlessly, and some people, no matter how hard they try, can never drop down to the % they want to be at. Worry about yourself. Let other people do what they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington View Post
    To me I see it as an excuse.
    so do i, although alot of people just want the lean fairly muscular look, not really the HUGE lean look or HUGE bulky look like i prefer myself.

    ive met FEW people my age and SOME older that work hard.
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    I've done bulks to get over 235lbs before, and had issues with blood pressure and snoring, along with a variety of other things.

    I simply feel better/healthier in the 210-215 range and certainly don't think it is a "cop-out"; I manage my diet to get into a certain weight range........NOT the intensity of my workouts.


    In the context that your workout partner said it, I see where he's coming from; but in a general sense I disagree with the statement.

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    Considering "big" could mean a lot of different things, there really is no point in debating it. I'd rather be 205lbs at 8% than 230 at 14%, but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shootermcgavin7 View Post
    I've done bulks to get over 235lbs before, and had issues with blood pressure and snoring, along with a variety of other things.
    that's a good point

    my bp was measuring consitently over 140/90 when i was in the 220-235lb range

    i'm about 197 right now, went to the doc this morning and i was at 120/62

    regardless, some of the blanket statements being thrown about are misguided

    perhaps the decision to be "bulky" shows a cop out to really getting diet in tune
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    yeah i agree with all of you totally, but whats the point of working out if your not going to look like it.


    i agree ive seen impressive physiques on people that weight 185 but they have worked for every ounce of muscle they have

    and as far as the health aspects some people can carry a lot more weight than others. while 235 for a lot of people is over weight i believe i can drop down to 230 and be in the 10% body fat range and be lean, i guess u can say ive been blessed to have the ability to carry more muscle mass but also carry extra body fat but im working it off.


    again i still say for those who use the statement imo are always usuing it as a cop out.

    a lot of your guys who responded in definace of the statement all have impressive physiques even tho ur not what i consider massive, and im sure u have gotten in and worked for all that you have and the thought "i dont want to be big" has truly crossed ur mind as a cop out


    but i think for the majority who say it, it is a cop out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington View Post
    To me I see it as an excuse.
    I agree. People don't get big overnight it takes so many years of hard work.
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    My response has always been "Don't worry ..you won't" as well.
    It is an excuse....as if somehow admitting their weaknesses justifies them.
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    I think it's an excuse too. Everyone I have ever heard that has said "i dont wannabebig, just r1ipp3d" gives up in a few months even with me on their ass everyday.
    I like your response Hatred, I'm going to start using that one.

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    Got a buddy of mine who doesn't want to do free weights, and I know why he doesn't wanna do free weights, its because the chance of failure is there, and to do what I do he'll have to work a long time (got a year head smart on a 125 LB kid (not boasting))

    That man may have a very valid point.

    Only person I know that doesn't wanna get big that I respect is a buddy at my club.

    This man excuse is he wants to EXTERMELY slowly gain weight, he wants to basically remain ripped which he is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roark View Post
    that's a good point



    perhaps the decision to be "bulky" shows a cop out to really getting diet in tune

    Well said sir.

    I'd rather be 190 pounds at 6% bodyfat than 300 pounds at 20%.

    But to each his own.

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