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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Men's Fitness - Fitness Goals

    I know everyone loves to bash workout magazines...but there was an article in men's fitness a year or two ago that listed some fitness goals that the majority of people should strive for.

    So how many of these can everyone do:

    Bench Press 1.5xBody Weight
    Run 1.5 Miles in <10 Minutes
    Dunk a Basketball
    Leg Press 2.25xBody Weight (Why is this not squat/deadlift?)
    Swim 700 Yards in <12 Minutes
    Do 40 Pushups
    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8
    Run 300 Yards in <1 Minute
    Reach 2 Inches past Toes

    I can do 3 for sure and maybe a 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bupp View Post
    I know everyone loves to bash workout magazines...but there was an article in men's fitness a year or two ago that listed some fitness goals that the majority of people should strive for.

    So how many of these can everyone do:

    Bench Press 1.5xBody Weight - No
    Run 1.5 Miles in <10 Minutes - Um... Not quite I'm thinking
    Dunk a Basketball - No
    Leg Press 2.25xBody Weight (Why is this not squat/deadlift?) - Yes but who cares?
    Swim 700 Yards in <12 Minutes - You had me at 'swim' - No
    Do 40 Pushups - Yes
    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8 - This is pretty tough for a guy... I'm at 0.85-0.9, and that's with a ghetto booty. Maybe after my cut
    Run 300 Yards in <1 Minute - Yes
    Reach 2 Inches past Toes - If given a few minutes I've learned a trick that, with some pain, I can

    I can do 3 for sure and maybe a 4th.
    See above

    I'm 6'1 so I don't have an excuse, but the dunking one seems a bit unfair for some. Same with the 0.8 waist/hip - that's pretty low.
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    cant do the toes, not sure about the hip ratio or leg press, but everything else i can do
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    I agree with McVein

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    Bench Press 1.5xBody Weight
    -no and probably never will (injury)

    Run 1.5 Miles in <10 Minutes
    - yes

    Dunk a Basketball
    - yes

    Leg Press 2.25xBody Weight (Why is this not squat/deadlift?)
    - don't know do squat/deadlift and it depends on what you define as leg press, some just kind of wiggle their legs. Come to think of it, for me thats 180kg/396lbs, so answer should be yes.

    Swim 700 Yards in <12 Minutes
    - yes

    Do 40 Pushups
    - yes

    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8
    - yes (just)

    Run 300 Yards in <1 Minute
    - yes

    Reach 2 Inches past Toes
    - yes

    You need to be a cross trainer to get plenty of "Yes" on that list. Its one persons opinion on what fitness goals you should have.

    And the basketball thing is relevant to your height, hardley a fair comparision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bupp View Post
    I know everyone loves to bash workout magazines...but there was an article in men's fitness a year or two ago that listed some fitness goals that the majority of people should strive for.

    So how many of these can everyone do:

    Bench Press 1.5xBody Weight - Yes
    Run 1.5 Miles in <10 Minutes - Yes
    Dunk a Basketball - Yes
    Leg Press 2.25xBody Weight (Why is this not squat/deadlift?) - Yes
    Swim 700 Yards in <12 Minutes -I've never timed myself but most likely yes. If you can swim pretty well and you're in decent shape you can do this pretty easy.
    Do 40 Pushups -Yes
    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8 - Dunno
    Run 300 Yards in <1 Minute - Yes
    Reach 2 Inches past Toes - Yes

    I can do 3 for sure and maybe a 4th.
    These aren't too hard. It probably is a little conflicting because most people that are pretty strong might be people that focus on weightlifting. So a person that can bench 1.5 times the body weight might have a problem running 1.5 miles under 10 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bupp View Post
    I know everyone loves to bash workout magazines...but there was an article in men's fitness a year or two ago that listed some fitness goals that the majority of people should strive for.

    So how many of these can everyone do:

    Bench Press 1.5xBody Weight yes
    Run 1.5 Miles in <10 Minutes no
    Dunk a Basketball dunk a tennis ball
    Leg Press 2.25xBody Weight (Why is this not squat/deadlift?) yes
    Swim 700 Yards in <12 Minutes no
    Do 40 Pushups easily
    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8 ???
    Run 300 Yards in <1 Minute in high school
    Reach 2 Inches past Toes no

    I can do 3 for sure and maybe a 4th.
    Ahh I used to be in better shape in high school when I played organized sports....but stronger now though

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    I can do all of those except dunk a basketball. Im only 5'7! So Im not sure how I would strive for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMcGuire View Post
    I can do all of those except dunk a basketball. Im only 5'7! So Im not sure how I would strive for that.

    squat your ass off

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    Bench Press 1.5xBody Weight no
    Run 1.5 Miles in <10 Minutes yes
    Dunk a Basketball almost...I can hang on the rim, last time I couldn't get the ball in though
    Leg Press 2.25xBody Weight yes, but I'm not sure why it matters
    Swim 700 Yards in <12 Minutes yes
    Do 40 Pushups yes
    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8 not sure
    Run 300 Yards in <1 Minute yes
    Reach 2 Inches past Toes yes
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    I can do all except dunk a basketball and I don't quite have a .8 waist/hip ratio. The dunking one is pretty ridiculous if you're not at least 5'11.

    I think the swimming 700 yard in under 12 min. and run 300m in less than 1 min. are pretty pathetic standards. Anyone with a modicum of swimming technique could do a 700 yard swim in 10 minutes and anyone guy in decent cardio shape (under 240 lbs) could do the 300m run in under a minute within a few weeks of training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    The dunking one is pretty ridiculous if you're not at least 5'11.
    What about Nate Robinson

    http://images.chron.com/content/news...pud-coomer.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirino83 View Post
    Yeah, well he's a freak. One in a million. That's why he's in the NBA.
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    Bench Press 1.5xBody Weight
    No. How about a deadlift triple bodyweight? Chest strength is silly.

    Run 1.5 Miles in <10 Minutes
    Yea. How about that cross country, barefoot?

    Dunk a Basketball
    Cake. How about shooting 16 goals in water polo?

    Leg Press 2.25xBody Weight (Why is this not squat/deadlift?)
    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA...aa..

    Swim 700 Yards in <12 Minutes
    The f*&k is a yard? Get with the times people.

    Do 40 Pushups
    Oooo, pushups are so manly. How about 40 dips? Or 40 blast strap pushups?


    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8
    That is a stupid aim to have. Oooo, look at me, I don't breathe through my stomach so I can have a small waist. Tools.


    Run 300 Yards in <1 Minute
    A yard is something kids go to play in, I'm not too sure how many I can run past in a minute..

    Reach 2 Inches past Toes
    How is flexibility a goal here? Static stretches are poo anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    I can do all except dunk a basketball and I don't quite have a .8 waist/hip ratio. The dunking one is pretty ridiculous if you're not at least 5'11.

    I think the swimming 700 yard in under 12 min. and run 300m in less than 1 min. are pretty pathetic standards. Anyone with a modicum of swimming technique could do a 700 yard swim in 10 minutes and anyone guy in decent cardio shape (under 240 lbs) could do the 300m run in under a minute within a few weeks of training.

    Well these are achievements for the average person. Most of us probably regard these as ridiculously low standards. But if the average person could do these, they'd probably be quite fit as compared to what passes for average fitness nowadays. They are not bad goals for someone to shoot for who ISN'T a dedicated lifter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Built View Post
    Sweet - I have the waist to hip ratio NAILED! 0.7 baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risk10k View Post
    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8
    That is a stupid aim to have. Oooo, look at me, I don't breathe through my stomach so I can have a small waist. Tools.


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    While I mostly agree with the rest of your post I have to take issue with this. This is not a stupid goal at all...in fact it is quite healthy. Ideally men should have a .90 ratio or less and women .80 or less. 1.0 or more carries with it a increased rate of heart disease and is considered to be in the "risk" area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Songsangnim View Post
    While I mostly agree with the rest of your post I have to take issue with this. This is not a stupid goal at all...in fact it is quite healthy. Ideally men should have a .90 ratio or less and women .80 or less. 1.0 or more carries with it a increased rate of heart disease and is considered to be in the "risk" area.
    The problem with this entire thing, is thats its generic, the natural aspects of your body are going to influence you success or failure at these charateristics. what it seems to be really saying is;
    - Good lean body strength, ie the abilty to shift heavy weights relvelant to your body weight
    - Carido capabilities, running, swimming
    - Theres a word for the ability to jump, but I can't remember it
    - % body fat
    - Flexibility
    Targets cross trainers like me, where most are into single disiplines. Forget it and go and do some crunches.

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    These sorts of feats are more along the lines of the training I try to do. Strength as a form of athleticism.

    I guess I can't really talk given my current state, but I see so many guys here who are in the low 200 lbs, maybe around 5' 10" and while they might bench upwards at 300 etc, but I can tell that if you set them up to run a mile they might top out after 800 meters. For me, there is no good in being able to bench 300 lbs if you can't run a mile in under 7 minutes (and I consider that to be easy). of course, there are plenty of weightlifters here who compete in lifting weights and that's it, cardiovascular endurance, agility, and quickness aren't necessarily needed, so it is understandable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Songsangnim View Post
    While I mostly agree with the rest of your post I have to take issue with this. This is not a stupid goal at all...in fact it is quite healthy. Ideally men should have a .90 ratio or less and women .80 or less. 1.0 or more carries with it a increased rate of heart disease and is considered to be in the "risk" area.
    Lol. I made a boo boo, I was thinking about shoulder to waist ratio. So yes, consider my comment unfounded and brash

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    I'm down with the swimming - though 700yrds is a pretty obscure distance i would be pissed if i couldn't still manage it in under 7.5 minutes.

    My other stats are pretty hopeless - can't set my bodyweight on bench, and probably can scarely even bounce a basketball!

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    I also just check my waist to hip ratio and it was at 0.85, according to www.healthstatus.com ;

    Your shape puts you at reduced risk of coronary heart disease, diabetes and stroke. Frequently referred to as pear shape, you tend to keep fat off your midsection and more on your hips. Your body does not convert this lower body fat as readily as midsection fat, which keeps cholesterol down.
    However, a) I have more fat on my mid section than my hips.
    b) The only other detail it asked for is my gender
    c) this should make me do endless crunches until my belly falls off.

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    Yeah, these seem like reasonably goals for somebody beginning to get into shape though, innit.

    I think most of us have to remember that not everybody is too fussed about their physical potential in this world. And if you were rehabilitating from an injury you'd probably take up this advice as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bupp View Post
    I know everyone loves to bash workout magazines...but there was an article in men's fitness a year or two ago that listed some fitness goals that the majority of people should strive for.

    So how many of these can everyone do:

    Bench Press 1.5xBody Weight no
    Run 1.5 Miles in <10 Minutes -no, but close
    Dunk a Basketball -no
    Leg Press 2.25xBody Weight (Why is this not squat/deadlift?) -yes
    Swim 700 Yards in <12 Minutes -I have no clue
    Do 40 Pushups -yes
    Waist-Hip Ratio of less than 0.8 -no clue
    Run 300 Yards in <1 Minute -yes
    Reach 2 Inches past Toes -yes, but it hurts haha

    I can do 3 for sure and maybe a 4th.

    there ya go

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