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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Weightlifing and Scoliosis

    So after getting a pain in my neck i decided to go to a chiropractor, which made me take x-rays of my spine. Turns out he reminded me of the fact that i have scoliosis.

    I knew i had scoliosis before this, but i hadnt considered the role it played in weightlifting. Anyway the curve is not major or anything, and thank god it hasnt progressed much since i was a child.

    The Doc. told me to avoid doing squats, and i was like "wtf no way, its a big one ".

    Anyway, any of you are informed on what specific exercises to avoid that would hurt my condition?

    Thanks
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    I've often wondered about this. A doc told my parents when I was young that I had scoliosis. I haven't noticed any problems except that I can't stand for more than about an hour or so before my upper back starts to hurt pretty bad. Been meaning to see the doc about that. Still, I'ld be interested in what the board has to say about this as well.
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    I have back problems aswell. I have spondylolysis/spondylolysthesis (fractured vertebrae that slip out of place and pinch a nerve) and a mild case of scoliosis aswell. I injured myself playing hockey about 4 years ago which resulted in the above injuries (probly had scoliosis from birth). I kept the weights light until I got my form down which i'm sure helped reduce the risk of injury doing things like deads, squats, gm's, rackpulls...etc. As long as your form is good I feel that you should be able to complete most exercises.
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    I have a 23 degree curve. Doc told me to never lift heavy weights. After one year of unsuccessful physical therapy, I defied his advise and began lifting again. With good form, my back's the best it's ever been. I fired the doc. Rowing and deadlifts help the most. Take it slow with the squats, but I see no reason not to do them unless you are in pain.

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    i have pretty bad scoliosis as well. I never let it bother me or hinder me lifting weights, occationally ill do something to hurt it (unrealted to weightlifting) and my back gets all twisted more, making my spine curved bad (one shoulder higher to the other) but it ussally takes a couple of days and its back to normal.
    also when i bend over and touch my toes you can see how the back ribcages on my rightside is alot higher then the left from the scoliosis. I am pretty confident though that exersizing and streching are helping me correct this or strengthen it.

    when i first found out about it i would go to the chiroprator somewhat regularly and have him adjust my back until when he was cracking my back he tried to adjust my shoulders and did something to hurt them real bad, which was the start of a bad shoulder problem of mine. I learned to crack my back myself if needed since then.
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    Most people have at least some scoliosis. A lot of doctors are anti-squat and anti-deadlift.

    I'm not an MD, but IMHO if you quit squatting and deadlifting because of mild scoliosis, it's kind of like refusing to walk if you have an ingrown toenail or falling arches. There's a possibility of issues arising because of form changes to compensate for the scoliosis and that's definately a concern, but that doesn't mean that someone with a mild case can't squat or DL at all.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    I really don't think any one on this board is qualified to give you advice on what exercises to use or do based on your specific medical condition. No one on here has a Phd of any kind. However you know yourself and what your limitations are. You can also find a specialist and get a second opinion on the squats/exercises topic. Others on here may have a similar condition as you and have not one problem with lifting. That is just the case of everyone is different, and what works for me may not work for you.

    continue to investigate.
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    It is very hard to tell someone what to do and what not to do based upon a 2 paragraph post. There are people here with advanced degrees Phd's etc. Scoliosis form in the spine from various pathologies. We don't know the cause of your specific pathology. There may be a very good reason why the chiropractor told you not to squat...

    Do a google for Mckenzie excercises excellent for scoliosis and other back problems

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    one thing to remember is a chiropractor is not a doctor though. and ussually doesnt have a PHD nor did the extensive medical schooling, but other schooling related to his field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkrs View Post
    I really don't think any one on this board is qualified to give you advice on what exercises to use or do based on your specific medical condition. No one on here has a Phd of any kind. However you know yourself and what your limitations are. You can also find a specialist and get a second opinion on the squats/exercises topic. Others on here may have a similar condition as you and have not one problem with lifting. That is just the case of everyone is different, and what works for me may not work for you.

    continue to investigate.
    There are lots of people here who are qualified, but basically no-one is going to give concrete medical advice over the internet without a physical exam etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkrs View Post
    I really don't think any one on this board is qualified to give you advice on what exercises to use or do based on your specific medical condition. No one on here has a Phd of any kind. However you know yourself and what your limitations are.
    LMFAO! Don't assume we're all meatheads. Off the top of my head I can think of about 4 PhDs or PhD candidates, 3 med students, a surgeon, a neurologist, a pediatrician, and a cardiologist. It's one of the things that sets WBB apart from other forums.
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    yea i had a post on this topic earlier. most people DO have a sculiosis of the spine, minor to major. i have a small version of it, but my right lat comes out at least 3 more inches than my left when flexing from the front. ITS SH1TTY!!!!


    IF your doc says stay away from squats.....i'd heed his advice man, just try your best with other legwork, good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by ectx View Post
    LMFAO! Don't assume we're all meatheads. Off the top of my head I can think of about 4 PhDs or PhD candidates, 3 med students, a surgeon, a neurologist, a pediatrician, and a cardiologist. It's one of the things that sets WBB apart from other forums.
    I found it funnier that he referenced PhD when talking about medical advice. That would be MD.

    Anyways, I have a 28 degree curve in my lower back (down from a high point of 35 thanks to wearing a night brace in highschool), and I do any and all of the major lifts without a problem. Though I suppose it matters where the curve is and which direction it's in. Only way to find out is to try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ectx View Post
    LMFAO! Don't assume we're all meatheads. Off the top of my head I can think of about 4 PhDs or PhD candidates, 3 med students, a surgeon, a neurologist, a pediatrician, and a cardiologist. It's one of the things that sets WBB apart from other forums.
    ok...then where they at????? Lets here some input. A med student doesn't mean squat (no pun intended) or a PhD in what Psychology? you see my point.

    There is a high probability he will not get the medical advice he needs from you, me or anyone else on this board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokinHawk View Post
    i have pretty bad scoliosis as well. I never let it bother me or hinder me lifting weights, occationally ill do something to hurt it (unrealted to weightlifting) and my back gets all twisted more, making my spine curved bad (one shoulder higher to the other) but it ussally takes a couple of days and its back to normal.
    also when i bend over and touch my toes you can see how the back ribcages on my rightside is alot higher then the left from the scoliosis. I am pretty confident though that exersizing and streching are helping me correct this or strengthen it.

    when i first found out about it i would go to the chiroprator somewhat regularly and have him adjust my back until when he was cracking my back he tried to adjust my shoulders and did something to hurt them real bad, which was the start of a bad shoulder problem of mine. I learned to crack my back myself if needed since then.
    i'm pretty much in the same boat as you, and in physio now (tryiyng it out), but squates and deads seem to be my biggets source of injury and pain, as much as i try to get he form right, my back fights me so much to go all wonky....very hard for me, almost at the point of giving up squats and deads

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkrs View Post
    ok...then where they at????? Lets here some input. A med student doesn't mean squat (no pun intended) or a PhD in what Psychology? you see my point.

    There is a high probability he will not get the medical advice he needs from you, me or anyone else on this board.
    He came to the board seek input and hear about others' experiences. That's what was given. No one is telling him to flat out ignore a doctor's orders, but if all the OP gives is general info (even to an MD), he's going to get general info back. If it were me, I'd be getting second and third opinions (from medical professionals) before making the decision to quit or not quit squatting and the advice of a forum would just be one piece of input I might use to help me make that decision.

    So lighten up. We're not trying to screw his back up worse.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkrs View Post
    ok...then where they at????? Lets here some input. A med student doesn't mean squat (no pun intended) or a PhD in what Psychology? you see my point.

    There is a high probability he will not get the medical advice he needs from you, me or anyone else on this board.
    Had he posted this in General health he would. Most medical advice from people who know a little more than you and I goes there...and for the record, the PhDs in this forum (that I know of) are in biochemistry, molecular biology, microbiology, and immunology....not psychology. I mentioned 3 med students (not pre-med...all of them in their 3rd or 4th year, btw) AND a pediatrician, neurologist, surgeon, and cardiologist, not just 3 med students. I understand what you're trying to say, and I agree to a certain point, I just don't think you realize the degree of knowledge we have here. I'm moving this over to general health to see if we get a better response.
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    I think I can help a bit here. My spine has a 37 degree curve, post-op. It used to be over 90. I can't speculate about squats for certain (I would see a spine specialist about that), but I can tell you for many other movements you will definitely be helping a lot if you KEEP LIFTING. Particularly deadlifts, rows, any manner of exercises that work the muscles surrounding your spine. Those muscles are there for support. If they go underdeveloped, the condition can progress rapidly. I went from under 10 degrees to over 90 in one summer. If any exercises cause sharp pain, you are overly tired or easily fatigued, or you feel your hips touching your ribs, or even just for the hell of it, go see a spine specialist/surgeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkrs View Post
    ok...then where they at?????
    Because advertising yourself as an MD/PhD/whatever is stupid... it's almost like asking for trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidelmo View Post
    There are lots of people here who are qualified, but basically no-one is going to give concrete medical advice over the internet without a physical exam etc.
    he just needs to post his x-rays and we can give educated advice
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    By the way guys the doctor i went to IS a spine specialist, i mentioned chiropractor becuase i thought that was the correc term, i guess my quick translation wasnt perfectly accurate...

    i doubt i will give up squatting i guess ill just take it slower there though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast View Post
    Because advertising yourself as an MD/PhD/whatever is stupid... it's almost like asking for trouble.
    exactly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    He came to the board seek input and hear about others' experiences. That's what was given. No one is telling him to flat out ignore a doctor's orders, but if all the OP gives is general info (even to an MD), he's going to get general info back. If it were me, I'd be getting second and third opinions (from medical professionals) before making the decision to quit or not quit squatting and the advice of a forum would just be one piece of input I might use to help me make that decision.

    So lighten up. We're not trying to screw his back up worse.
    hey bro, I am not sure if you know who this post was directed to but it wasn't the OP. So you might want to re-read before you speak. The other gentleman and I have made ourselves clear to each other without your .02
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkrs View Post
    hey bro, I am not sure if you know who this post was directed to but it wasn't the OP. So you might want to re-read before you speak. The other gentleman and I have made ourselves clear to each other without your .02
    Huh? Um, yeah it was directed at you.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Huh? Um, yeah it was directed at you.
    what was directed at me? Your statement? ok..so what. I was refering to ectx not you. In other words, your cosingning wasn't even necessary.

    Thank you have a nice day.
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    You wanna gain weight? Then it's time to squat!

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