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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Muslce gain for veggies

    Hey guys...I have friend who wants to put on muscle...However he is a vegiterian, so i dont no exactly how to advise him, please assist....

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    If he eats dairy, he can load up on milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, etc. If not, nuts, soy products, and beans would be good protein sources. And there's a Diet & Nutrition forum here for future reference.

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    Opps sorry guys...I post a new one down there...

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    does he train? what's his diet like? is he vegan?
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    A bloke at work is a vego and was very very skinny. Lived with his parents and there wasn't a huge amount of scope to change his diet, so he added protein powder.

    Now don't laugh at the figures because you have to understand how skinny he was, in 6 months he went from benching 30kg/66lbs*10 to 50kg/110lbs*10 a 67% increase.

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    I have yet to meet anyone in real life who is a veggie that doesnt look sick. Man is supposed to eat meat to grow. Tell him to eat a damn hamburger and pack on some pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albertz View Post
    Hey guys...I have friend who wants to put on muscle...However he is a vegiterian, so i dont no exactly how to advise him, please assist....
    I have been lifting for many years, and I experimented with going vegetarian last year. I did it for two months, and to my shock, I had NO problems at all making gains. It blew away everything I thought I knew about lifting nutrition. I used to think that you pretty much had to own stock in a cattle ranch.
    If your friend is a vegetarian then probably quite aware of which plant sources are higher in protein.
    Also, ff your friend is allowed eggs, then, no problems at all.
    Last edited by zen; 03-15-2007 at 07:59 AM.

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    There is a vegan protein powder available called Vega, which may help with his protein intake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slither View Post
    I have yet to meet anyone in real life who is a veggie that doesnt look sick. Man is supposed to eat meat to grow. Tell him to eat a damn hamburger and pack on some pounds.
    I do not look sick mofo. I look awesome. I'll bet I'm a lot healthier than you in fact.

    Right, down to business. Rice and beans. Repeat. Jamaican, Mexican, Asian, African - they all do interesting flavours and textures with rice and beans. The advantage is - as a combo you're getting all of the essential amino acids.

    I also take rice protein powder. Take note - this is useless by itself, but with a complimentary protein source in your diet it adds to your protein intake.

    Beware of more than a litre a day of soy milk. It's just not good. Do the research on that one yourself. Buy Bonsoy if you can get it - it's the real deal made in Japan.

    Once again - watch out for the vegan protein powders. They contain too much soy and it's bad quality. Soy milk is better. Compare the protein content of what's available to you if you can't get Bonsoy.

    Eat rice and beans. Oh yeah, I said that already. It really works though, provided you cook the beans yourself and measure each meal on fitday.com.

    Make sure you educate the guy on the importance of tracking your food, complete protein, caloric brackets and goals, routines, over-training, etc.

    Vegetable proteins (grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, and other vegetables) are incomplete proteins because they are missing, or do not have enough of, one or more of the essential amino acids. That's not such a big deal. You already know that grains and legumes are rich in complex carbohydrate and fiber. They can be an excellent source of protein as well; it just takes a little bit of work and know-how. By combining foods from two or more of the following columns—voilà—you create a self-made complete protein. You see, the foods in one column may be missing amino acids that are present in the foods listed in another column. When eaten in combination at the same meal (or separately throughout the day), your body receives all nine essential amino acids to promote muscle growth. You need to track HOW MUCH you eat to make sure you reach you minimum protein intake for the day of 1 gram per pound of bodyweight.

    You can combine the following vegetable proteins to make complete proteins.

    Vegetarian Sources of Protein are:

    Grains: Barley, Bulgur, Cornmeal, Oats, Buckwheat, Rice, Pasta, Rye and Wheat.

    Legumes: Beans, Lentils, Dried peas, Peanuts, Chick peas and Soy Products.

    Nuts/Seeds: Sesame seeds, Sunflower seeds, Walnuts, Cashews, Pumpkin seeds, and so on...


    Combinations to Create Complete Proteins
    Combine Grains and Legumes
    Combine Grains and Nuts/Seeds
    Combine Legumes and Nuts/Seeds

    More Ideas:
    Peanut butter on whole-wheat bread
    Whole-wheat bun with sesame seeds
    Humus (chickpeas and sesame paste)
    Rice and beans
    Breadsticks rolled with sesame seeds
    Trail mix (peanuts and sunflower seeds)
    Bean soup and a roll
    Rice cakes with peanut butter
    Salad with chickpeas and cornbread
    Tofu-vegetable stir-fry over rice or pasta
    Vegetarian chili with bread

    Also, by adding small amounts of animal protein (meat, eggs, milk, or cheese) to any of the groups, you create a complete protein. I don't eat meat but here are some examples:

    * Casserole with a small amount of meat
    * Salad with beans and a hard cooked egg
    * Yogurt with granola
    * Bean and cheese burrito
    * Macaroni and cheese
    * Oatmeal with milk

    To summarise this:
    Complementary proteins are two incomplete proteins in a food that compensate for one another's shortfalls when combined.

    Tell him he can find me here, and wish him luck for me!
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    Hey guys...thanks heaps for your input...Personally i am not a vegeterian but by reading what you guys have written in here, ive learnt quite abit...I thought without "meat"(i.e - chicken, beef, fish) you have no chance or
    "very very slow" process of gaining muscle. BUT i was wrong...
    Ok guys i will forward this to him now, and hope he listens to us and soon mayby see him big...hahah

    Thanks again!!!!

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    Also keep in mind 2 incomplete proteins do not have to be eaten in the same meal, only within 24 hours.

    Also for veggie protein sources, cottage cheese is a godsend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slither View Post
    I have yet to meet anyone in real life who is a veggie that doesnt look sick. Man is supposed to eat meat to grow. Tell him to eat a damn hamburger and pack on some pounds.
    WRONG!

    i'm vegetarian.And believe me, i have no problem packing on muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slither View Post
    I have yet to meet anyone in real life who is a veggie that doesnt look sick. Man is supposed to eat meat to grow. Tell him to eat a damn hamburger and pack on some pounds.
    Idiotic statement. I suggest you do some research on the digestive system before you suggest what we are supposed to eat.

    (I'm not a vegetarian, but I can see real benefits to the lifestyle..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Guy View Post
    Idiotic statement. I suggest you do some research on the digestive system before you suggest what we are supposed to eat.

    (I'm not a vegetarian, but I can see real benefits to the lifestyle..)
    Man is on top of the food chain.
    Man is an omnivore.
    Man can eat whatever he wants.
    Meat tastes good. Man eats meat.
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    I thought I knew who I might find a lot of on this forum and I was right... Is this really where the term 'Meat Head' comes from? Oh well, look after those joints and livers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Australian View Post
    'Meat Head'
    i take that as a compliment. Thank you
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    Finally Aussie, you have posted your vegge diet advice, I'm going to use that to assist in reviewing my diet.

    More importantly, I'm going to pass it over to my vege lifting mate.

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    Anyone else read Aussie's posts and imagine Steve Irwin or Paul Hogan reading them out loud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim View Post
    Anyone else read Aussie's posts and imagine Steve Irwin or Paul Hogan reading them out loud?
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    Streuth!

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    Your shout mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris686 View Post
    Man is on top of the food chain.
    Man is an omnivore.
    Man can eat whatever he wants.
    Meat tastes good. Man eats meat.
    The thought of most meat makes me sick. It's the smell, the taste, the texture, it's the whole thing. There is only one form of red meat I eat and that is corned beef. Maybe it's because I'm part Irish, but it's mostly because it has been cooked in such a way that it loses it's smell, bloody taste, texture, etc. I'm not a veggie, but I would rather eat vegan food than most meats. Don't knock people just because they have different tastes than you.
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    Corned beef - yuck. Breast chicken for me. BTW whens paddies day?

    I'm a non practicing vegetarian.

    PS Aussie, I've passed a link to this thread to my vego lifting mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slither View Post
    I have yet to meet anyone in real life who is a veggie that doesnt look sick. Man is supposed to eat meat to grow. Tell him to eat a damn hamburger and pack on some pounds.
    lol I found that hilarious
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    Quote Originally Posted by slither View Post
    I have yet to meet anyone in real life who is a veggie that doesnt look sick. Man is supposed to eat meat to grow. Tell him to eat a damn hamburger and pack on some pounds.
    Most people have a bad diet regardless of whether they are vegos or not.

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