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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Blowing out Your Knees

    One of the worst things you can do to yourself along with spinal injuries.

    But yeah my friend said ass to calf squats blow out your knees and you're supposed to go 90 degrees because that's the perfect running form.

    Is this true? Should I be doing 90 degree squats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arya202 View Post
    One of the worst things you can do to yourself along with spinal injuries.

    But yeah my friend said ass to calf squats blow out your knees and you're supposed to go 90 degrees because that's the perfect running form.

    Is this true? Should I be doing 90 degree squats?

    Going below paralell does put extra stress on the knees. You wont nessecarily "blow them out" but your probably better off just going to paralell.
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    Perfect running form? If you run with your legs at parallel, I don't think you are moving too fast.


    You need to squat with good form. If you squat high with bad form...you can hurt yourself. If you squat to parallel with bad form....you can hurt yourself. If you squat until your ass nearly hits the floor with bad form....you can hurt yourself. Decide how deep you want to squat. Start very light and perfect your form as best you can. Add weight and go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmitty199 View Post
    Going below paralell does put extra stress on the knees. You wont nessecarily "blow them out" but your probably better off just going to paralell.
    If you squat below parallel, with good form, the stress is transferred to your hips, hamstrings and glutes. It is actually worse on your knees to squat high.

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    I still don't understand how people could possibly think that a full range of motion movement like an ATF squat could be worse than stopping, with all that weight on your back, half way through the movement and going back. It just doesn't make sense.

    Don't squat on a Smith Machine (save safety squats) and don't stop before parallel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progress View Post
    I still don't understand how people could possibly think that a full range of motion movement like an ATF squat could be worse than stopping, with all that weight on your back, half way through the movement and going back. It just doesn't make sense.

    Don't squat on a Smith Machine (save safety squats) and don't stop before parallel.
    +1 to everything you just said.

    I think the reason people dont "understand" this is because they like to consider their quarter squats real squats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progress View Post
    I still don't understand how people could possibly think that a full range of motion movement like an ATF squat could be worse than stopping, with all that weight on your back, half way through the movement and going back. It just doesn't make sense.

    Don't squat on a Smith Machine (save safety squats) and don't stop before parallel.
    With most people when they start doing more weight on full squats, there knees start to buckle inward. That puts way to much stress on the knees.

    Well everyone to there own opinion I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmitty199 View Post
    With most people when they start doing more weight on full squats, there knees start to buckle inward. That puts way to much stress on the knees.

    Well everyone to there own opinion I suppose.
    Well, first of all, you're supposed to make it a point to make sure you keep your knees outward. If your knees start buckling inward, you are either A) Not concentrating on keeping them outward B) Using too much weight or C) Using horrendously crappy form. Squat form isn't as simple as some make it out to be, and it does take a while to master the form. You shouldn't ever pile on more weight until you have mastered the squat form. People who have not studied the biomechanics of the squat fail to understand how or why something is safe or not. Hip flexibility also plays a role and going ATF can look completely different with different people. One person's ATF may look like less ROM than another, but they are doing the same thing. But proper form is absolutely vital when doing squats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmitty199 View Post
    With most people when they start doing more weight on full squats, there knees start to buckle inward. That puts way to much stress on the knees.
    So do it properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by arya202 View Post
    But yeah my friend said ass to calf squats blow out your knees and you're supposed to go 90 degrees because that's the perfect running form.

    Is this true? Should I be doing 90 degree squats?
    No, it's complete bull****.

    And so is this:
    Going below paralell does put extra stress on the knees. You wont nessecarily "blow them out" but your probably better off just going to paralell.


    Read this to find out why: http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displayarticle.php?aid=52
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    This is just a myth that will never die.

    Squat deep.
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    Squat deep, sit back.

    So many people just let their tibias move forward a lot, thus using the quads more and putting a lot more stress on the knees rather than on the posterior chain. It's quite better to develop hip flexors flexibility and have a nice deep squat in which you sit back rather than developping crazy calf flexibility.
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    yes, watch the ****in knees bro, ive been out of squatting for 4 weeks now recovering because i did a set of breathing squats and near the end of the 20 my knees started taking the weight (leaned too far forward)......WHOOPS i ****ed up bad but im hoping to be back after icing and ibuprofen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmitty199 View Post
    Well everyone to there own opinion I suppose.
    it's not opinion. Its fact.
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    http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...t=95077&page=2

    Scroll down to my post and read why ATF squats are better for your knees.

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    It's called a SQUAT because you're supposed to stick your butt out and actually squat down. Imagine that. tuttut

    If you want to do some sort of half-ass close-to-parallel motion, at least have the courtesy to call your exercise a "sit" or a "knee bender" or something that more accurately tracks the actual movement you are performing.

    Proper Squats are done to below parallel with as close to a full range of motion as your flexibility will allow--train your body the way it was built to move. This is biomechanics, not rocket science.

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