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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #51
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    Yeah, when I herniated my disk I didn't do squats for close to a year.

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    is there any way to prevent an injury like this, or is it just "bad luck?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazerboy View Post
    is there any way to prevent an injury like this, or is it just "bad luck?"
    Make your you always have proper form and you'r enot lifting more than you could handle. I always had a bad back from doing jumps while skiing, but the damage really came with doing too much on SLDL.

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    Damn this sux! Which disk is herniated and is it fully blown or just herniated? If it's blown out you'll need a lamenectomy. A chiropractor can help a herniated disk if anabolic steroids like test/deca and proper exercise is used. You should only do static contractions and stretches twice a week when rehabbing a herniated disk. Hyperextensions and such can make it a whole lot worse. Defintely steer clear of ab work and use an ice pack to reduce blood flow/swelling. Give me some more details and I'll tell you what i would do.
    Trainer of champions..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinASU View Post
    Well the PT session this morning was surprising (in a good way) and enlightening.

    The PT asked me about the pain and what I've been doing for it and so far I have been doing the right thing. I explained by routine and my goals. We tested the how weak the left side of my body is (from the sciata) with some hamstring curls, some kind of glute movement and some back extensions. Everything was doing well. He showed me some good stretches I could pursue to minimize the sciatic pain and stretch my lower back.

    There were a couple of things I found troubling as well. He said that not only should I avoid movements like GMs and spread eagle situps for now, but I should be wary of ever doing them again. Apparently, the increased ROM and need for leverage on these motions can be quite dangerous to a herniated disc. He offered some alternatives for the time being. He also did not want me benching with an arch right now, and if I can, to bench with my legs up, so as to take out the back. This is not a permanent thing, but for the time being, that's what he recommended.

    Finally, the big question....when can I return to deads, rows, squats...? He said I can start doing those immediately, as long as I focus on posture, form, and move up very gradually in weight. THAT was the best thing I've heard in weeks.

    I'm still quite scared of full squats since that's how the injury occurred (hams to calves) and since I'll never have to full squat in competition, I think I'll lay off those now and possibly forever. I realize it wasn't necessarily the motion itself, but since the motion requires absolutely perfect form in order to prevent further injury, I just can't justify it right now because my flexibility isn't there.

    The PT also told me I'm at about an 80% risk of re-injury. Essentially, my lifting has to turn into a science.
    I agree that your risk of re-injury is 80% at this juncture but I absolutely disgaree that you should return to al these exercises at this point.

    1) Never do situps again.
    2) Never do deep/heavy low rep/explosive squats again.
    3) You are not ready for light dead-lifts if the pain is still running down the leg/hip or in the lower back
    4) Steer clear of rows until this thing clear up.
    5) You will more than likely get hurt again and become much worse-hence requiring surgery. Are you scared yet? Good I want you to be very afraid!!! Let this thing heal for at least another 6 weeks and only then might you be bale to start back VERY VERY slowly. You wont lose much. In the mean time do some easy walking on a flat surface if it causes no pain. I want you to understand I have a lot of expereince in this field and you cannot always believe what others telll you just because its something you want to hear. Some will hand out advise in a sincere manner yet cause you to become a cripple. I used to work for an orthopedic/nuerosurgeon/pain specialist clinic and I have seen a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG NASTY BOY View Post
    Damn this sux! Which disk is herniated and is it fully blown or just herniated? If it's blown out you'll need a lamenectomy. A chiropractor can help a herniated disk if anabolic steroids like test/deca and proper exercise is used. You should only do static contractions and stretches twice a week when rehabbing a herniated disk. Hyperextensions and such can make it a whole lot worse. Defintely steer clear of ab work and use an ice pack to reduce blood flow/swelling. Give me some more details and I'll tell you what i would do.
    Did you seriously just recommend AAS use to recover from an injury? Perhaps I misunderstood, but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinASU View Post
    Did you seriously just recommend AAS use to recover from an injury? Perhaps I misunderstood, but...
    Legal/moral issues aside, the healing powers of testosterone and hgh are well known. There would be some connective tissue considerations with the test, but not as tough as some other compounds.

    HOWEVER. Since I know you, and I know a fair amount about your situation: This isn't even an option for you. Don't get excited.

    Be a man. Be awesome at it. Be proud of it. Beyond the Barbell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borris View Post
    Legal/moral issues aside, the healing powers of testosterone and hgh are well known. There would be some connective tissue considerations with the test, but not as tough as some other compounds.

    HOWEVER. Since I know you, and I know a fair amount about your situation: This isn't even an option for you. Don't get excited.

    Understandable, but using hormones simply to heal from an injury is an incredibly poor decision. Plus, yeah, you know my situation.
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    I want to chime in on this thread, although not sure what the OP situation is at this point.

    I suffer from a herniation in the L5-S1 disc/nerve. It's brutal. There were days I could not put socks/shoes on, or even really get out of bed. Coughing or sneezing sent excruciating pain into my back.

    I was first on percoset, but it really made me drowsy, but allowed me to get through 9 grueling months of upper accounting CGA courses from my bed, b/c I could not make it into school.

    I had multiple relapses, where at first things seemed better, then whamo! Bed ridden again. I was on Gabapentin and morphine for 4 months and just weened myself off of both of them. Long term dosage is not advised!

    My mother is a RMT and I have seen chiro's physio's spine and neck specialists, three gp's. I had a CT scan, and an MRI done. Was all set to have surgery two different times, only to have the specialist tell me that it's not a good option.

    I am healing, but it's slow, too slow many days. The isolation from school, work and friends (not to mention my active lifestyle of mountain climbing, running and weightlifting just to name a few is horrific).

    It's been 15 months now and I still have pain, but I am off the drugs and my disc is healing. However, it's important to note that I am not healed, likely will NEVER fully heal, and must make adjustments to my life. Yes I could fully heal, but the potential time line for something like that is 3-5 years. Even surgery is no guarantee for many sufferers.

    That being said, time is the best healer of injuries of this nature (especially severe). A pinched never is a warning most don't take seriously, same with tight hammy's (which pull on the back). Anyone experiencing these things needs to be very cautious.

    I wish there was a quick fix, but if your injury is as serious as it sounds (very similar to mine) then you need a reality check, a psyche check, and you need to ask yourself one very important question. What do you want out of life?

    If you go to the gym, and load up dumbbells and do curls and crap, all your going to do is further compress your joints and continue the degeneration process. BAD MOVE!

    You need to see a PT's who specializes in recovery of herniation because believe me, the right dude watching out for you is part of the battle. My mom is an RMT and I see a chiro as well, but I see the chiro to keep the "other" area's of my body in line so my weak spot doesn't have to compensate and over extend itself. RMT's work on all regions but my herniation as there is not much that can be released in that area without actually making it worse.

    Not trying to scare you, just trying to reiterate some of the advice given here already, let you know about my situation (which is bad) and also let you know that you can get you life back.

    Despite some pain, I want my life back too, so I am loading up my backpack for 3 1/2 months in Europe. Although I love to travel, I am doing this trip to prove to myself that despite my herniation, I can take control of my life again. I leave in 5 weeks time.

    Rest up my friend, elevate those legs, stretch muscles that link to the back, but are not back muscles, try not to sit or stand in any one position for too long and whatever you do, stay away from ANY lifting whatsoever until you have been given medical clearance. I can't stress this last part enough.

    I have a 10 month weimaraner puppy, who needs a 10k walk daily, so instead of the gym, I walk him, toss sticks and let HIM do all the running. It's not like life used to be, but at this point, it's all about doing things that inspire confidence and courage, in hopes of attempting progressively more and more strenuous activities.

    Hope this helps and if you want to pm me for more info or carry on here, let me know.

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    just bumping this because i just found it using the search engine in. I am going through some lower back issues now and am using a lot of what is recomended in this thread with good results.


    Curious if the OP still posts here and if so how is his back doing? would love to see a progress report.
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    i ll second the bump. I have also dealt with lower back pain for most of my time lifting (six Years) and just recently in 09 it went out on me with a compressed nerve root in the L-5. Its been seven months since that happened and as of now I am still not 100%. My advice is find a good PT who has a background in S&C who understands your goals and wants to help you succeed. The hardest part of getting back from lower back injuries is the transition period from rehab to serous training. That for me was and is still the longest (still in it), getting functional took about a month but ever since then I have had small setbacks and flares from time to time. Always taking a few steps back and reassess what went wrong, and making adjustments. Let me reiterate get a PT you can talk to and trust and understands your goals, if not it will be very frustrating and potentially dangerous, which I sadly know from experience. Last but not least read McGill's work
    he is the top in the field, help me a lot to understand how and what happened to me.

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