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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    VT Killer Sent a Package to NBC

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

    I know the last thread turned into a political debate or something like that but this article was pretty interesting.

    I've always been very aware of PTSD and it seems like we might have figured this one out:
    "In a screenplay Cho wrote for a class last fall, characters throw hammers and attack with chainsaws, according to fellow students in the class. In another, Cho concocted a tale of students who fantasized about stalking and killing a teacher who sexually molested them."
    BINGO. I could be wrong and these sorts of things are hard to prove but I'm guessing this is where the problem stemmed.
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    wow, that's interesting, I'm still amazed at the time span he had to do all of this.
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    I'm amazed that he made those videos BETWEEN the two shootings!

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    What a looney. Law enforcement really dropped the ball on this one, so did the university. The english teacher turned him into the police, who did nothing, didn't even take precautions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast View Post
    I'm amazed that he made those videos BETWEEN the two shootings!
    A+ for creativity.

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    I want to know what this guy did after he killed two people or whatever at 7:15. Like, did he just walk off and that was that? No one identified him to the cops? Like, wtf?

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    as far as I know when a student shows signs of violence (for example in his English assignments), all the university can do is ask them to come in to student affairs for a "talk". Universities can do little to help a kid such as this looney...but I feel proper precautions were not taken to prevent this student from doing what he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by accuFLEX View Post
    I want to know what this guy did after he killed two people or whatever at 7:15. Like, did he just walk off and that was that? No one identified him to the cops? Like, wtf?
    Who was going to identify him? The one security guard and one witness who saw him were both killed. He had probably planned things out pretty well because it's not easy to kill two people in a dorm and walk out without anyone nabbing you. Whatever, apparently he pulled it off. Still trying to figure out how you line up a couple dozen people and shoot them all without them trying to retaliate. If you're #20 then you gotta be itching to act when they get to #... oh... about #15. Oh well, I guess we can only speculate.
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    With the line up thing, what he could have done was shot down the line, and use one bullet to kill a lot of people. Then again, I have no idea how bullets work, so I don't know if my thinking is correct....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast View Post
    I'm amazed that he made those videos BETWEEN the two shootings!
    seriously.What i nut case.
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    Yeah I doubt it, I'm sure the bullet (which wasn't of a high caliber) definitely wouldn't go through the second head. Plus if you watch any of the videos you hear the gun being shot every half second or so. But then again maybe that's just when he supposedly headed down the halls and starting shooting the place up.

    Also I don't know if you guys heard but one teacher gave his life trying to give the students time to climb out the window of his classroom. Supposedly he was a holocaust survivor also... that man deserves a ****ing medal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast View Post
    I'm amazed that he made those videos BETWEEN the two shootings!
    The story I read said the package containing the videos was mailed between the two shootings. It said it wasn't possible to determine from the videos when they were actually recorded.

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    Just a side note, but didn't people jump from the windows? If so, was that number included in the death count?

    Edit: And another thing, has there been any talk of school security cameras? My campus has about 18,000 students and we have freekin cameras in almost every hall.

    I assume in the States, with security a lot more imposed vs. Canada, they would have more cameras...
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    Wow, this plus the interview of his two old roommates = totally nuts.

    This seems like a case where the police/university dropped the ball big time.
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    Are there any videos anywhere?

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    I think it's hard to prevent something like this (aside from maybe between the first and second shooting). Everybody has some degree of 'mental problems.' Hell, I could think of 3 or 4 people that go to my school that are pretty ****ing creepy. The chances of them actually doing something are so slim that I don't think the university should make them even more isolated by needing to meet with officials.

    I haven't followed this too close -- was it ever explained how he chose the people he was going to kill? Did he just let other losers go or something?

    And why was he killing people in the Engineering hall? Wasn't he an English major or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingJustin View Post
    I think it's hard to prevent something like this (aside from maybe between the first and second shooting). Everybody has some degree of 'mental problems.' Hell, I could think of 3 or 4 people that go to my school that are pretty ****ing creepy. The chances of them actually doing something are so slim that I don't think the university should make them even more isolated by needing to meet with officials.

    I haven't followed this too close -- was it ever explained how he chose the people he was going to kill? Did he just let other losers go or something?

    And why was he killing people in the Engineering hall? Wasn't he an English major or something?
    His choice for where to attack may have had more to do with the layout of the building than anything else, and likely number of classes that would be in session at the time, and other logistical things. It sounded like he had been planning this thing out for quite awhile.
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    I was under the impression he was looking for a specific girl and headed toward her class. Who knows, the first few days the details are always lost in the confusion and rumors.

    And yes I'm pretty sure he recorded those things before the shootings because (if you read the article) it says it was edited a bit.

    As KingJustin said though it is very hard to prevent things like this. During our lifetimes they will probably always happen but the events will become less frequent. As for the University... I don't think they were too bad. It's not like you can have the cops arrest someone for "being a creep". They have been criticized for not closing the campus off but on the other hand how do you just close off a campus? It's not that easy. I'd even give his psychologist a break because I bet we've all met creepier people who haven't done anything close to this.

    Basically **** happens. I'd get into gun laws but I think that's where the last thread went. I heard a good quote recently though... "If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoney View Post
    as far as I know when a student shows signs of violence (for example in his English assignments), all the university can do is ask them to come in to student affairs for a "talk". Universities can do little to help a kid such as this looney...but I feel proper precautions were not taken to prevent this student from doing what he did.
    I heard from CBC that he was in a mental institute for a period of time. I also heard he faced a student tribunal for harassment, but they decided not to penalize him.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialK View Post
    The story I read said the package containing the videos was mailed between the two shootings. It said it wasn't possible to determine from the videos when they were actually recorded.
    It was mailed between the two. So either the videoes are from the first shooting, or he shot some other people we don't know about. I vote for the former.

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    I don't get how there was 2 full hours between the dorm shooting and the building shooting.

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    Crap. Welcome to the dawn of a new Era in school security.
    "Your mercedes wasn't good enough you brats? Your Gold chains weren't enough you snobs?" He may have been looney but he said what a lot of us think. And by us I mean "Me".

    The difference is I didn't unload 40+ rounds of ammo in a school...I didn't have a gun at the time. Dammit.
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    You also probably don't have as bad of mental problems as him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatred View Post
    The difference is I didn't unload 40+ rounds of ammo in a school...I didn't have a gun at the time. Dammit.
    I think we're talking more like 150+ rounds. Apparently he didnt put less than 3 rounds in each victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast View Post
    I don't get how there was 2 full hours between the dorm shooting and the building shooting.
    I've been following this story rather closely. I must say I am completely appalled by the whole thing.

    I've been trying to decipher the facts from the BS, but it's been a little difficult, especially when news channels get these fruit cakes that always want to blame some psychopath's behavior on some external source such as video games, music, or movies. I believe these kinds of people are just ill.

    It's rumored the reason that he wasn't stopped after the first shooting was because the police believed they had caught the shooter. They thought the shooter was the original victim's boyfriend. It's said he was the prime suspect and therefore pulled over by the authorities and arrested.

    That's not to say that this whole thing wasn't preventable. The kid was showing psychological issues way before this thing even happened. But many people show similar signs and never go on a shooting spree.


    I hate the idea of upping security, to be honest. I know there are some who are going to advocate this crap, but let's think of these school shootings on a global scale. How many major shootings have there been by students? Two?

    This and Columbine.

    In the grand scale of things, there have been literally billions of students that have gone through the school system, and we've had three kids crazy enough to go through with these macabre deeds.

    It's moronic and a waste of security and taxpayer's money to implement heavy security on these campuses. It's ludicrous when you consider the frequency of these events.

    Let's think about this: We can spend the hundreds of millions of dollars on nationwide campus security, but that money could be spent on education instead.

    If we do this, we're adding more lower class, uneducated people to the economy. Lower class people are more prone to violent crimes. This is a fact.

    Less money for education, more for security. Fewer educated people, more poor people. More poor people, more violent crimes. More violent crimes, more death.

    It's all intertwined.

    I know that this sounds insensitive, but I don't mean it to be that way. If anyone on these forums was somehow affected by this tragedy , you have my deepest sympathies. If you are offended by my post, I apologize.
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    Chris, good post. I agree with your thinking on everything, and I make that economics argument all the time. I really hate when people say, "It shouldn't matter how much money it costs! xxx is more important than money!"
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