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    2 different Allergy Doctors

    Ok here's my dilemma. I went to my first allergy doctor about a year ago. He said I have allergies, based on their testing.

    I go to a second allergy doctor that's much closer so I don't have to drive so far to start getting my allergy shots. I have my records faxed there, and he told me the testing was really bad, and they didn't test me for even a 1/4th of the things they would test me there for. I get 2nd testing done-he says I'm allergic to NOTHING. The 2nd doctor is in a much bigger city, and he's a really good doctor that came recommended. He told me I have a deviated septum, which I do-and that's probably the cause. He gave me a doc's number that did his sons deviated septum.

    The problem I have is this: There's this nasal spray that I use called Zicam Extreme Congestion Relief. This **** is ****ing incredible. It's the ONLY thing that I can use that makes me breathe out of my nose normally. I mean the difference is unbelievable, night and day. It lasts for about 12 hours or so.

    My question is this: If I don't have allergies, why would this nasal spray help so much? It says on the bottle "relieves nasal congestion due to cold, sinustis, hay fever, upper respiratory allergies, helps clear nasal passages, relieves sinus pressure". If my breathing problems were caused my a deviated septum, why would this nasal spray help so much? Any ideas?
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    That's simple, chief. Zicam nasal spray/decongestant isn't an antihistamine. It's a decongestant... Oxymetazoline Hydrochloride to be specific. This stuff is a long acting vaso-constrictor that acts directly to reduce the swelling of your nasal membranes. In other words, it brings the swelling in your nose down and lets you breath. It's like taking aspirin to decrease the swelling from a twisted ankle. Does the aspirin fix the sprain or possibly torn ligaments? No, but it sure makes you feel better!
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    I thougth allergies caused the swelling? I'm just wondering if the deviated septum surgery is going to solve my problem.
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    honestly, without having more info, or better yet, being an MD (lol) I wouldn't know exactly. It's my understanding that it's not so much that allergies are causing the swelling...it's that your nasal passage is constricted because of the deviated septum so any kind of swelling, however minimal, regardless of cause, is a big deal.
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    That makes sense- the only thing that leads me to believe it's allergies is the bloody content of the snot and the fact that I seem to have a lot of it. I'll see the what surgeon has to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HahnB View Post
    That makes sense- the only thing that leads me to believe it's allergies is the bloody content of the snot and the fact that I seem to have a lot of it. I'll see the what surgeon has to say.
    I have never had blood in my snot from allergies. Perhaps you need to go see that doctor and let him know.
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    A few thoughts....

    *Be careful using the nasal spray too much or too long. There is a known "rebound" effect that can occur with overusage of these vasoconstrictors. You can ultimately get yourself in a vicious cycle where you constantly need the spray to keep your nasal airways open. Read more about it here.

    *Like ectx mentioned above, any significant septum deviation could potentially make any problem (i.e. allergies) seem 100X worse.

    *The blood could be due to a drying out of your nasal mucosa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razorcut View Post
    A few thoughts....

    *Be careful using the nasal spray too much or too long. There is a known "rebound" effect that can occur with overusage of these vasoconstrictors. You can ultimately get yourself in a vicious cycle where you constantly need the spray to keep your nasal airways open. Read more about it here.
    I was worried about this, being that my ENT doc just put me on nasacort, but I read you recover from the rebound swelling after stopping the medication.
    I can breathe for the first time in 10 years. It's nice.

    Hahn, is that meant to be a permanent fix that you stop taking after a few days of use?

    I read this:

    "Do not use oxymetazoline nasal for longer than 3 to 5 days. Longer use could cause damage to your nasal tissue and lead to chronic congestion. If your symptoms do not improve, see your doctor."
    http://www.medicationadvisor.com/sid...ion_Relief.htm
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    I've probably only used it 10 or 15 times in the last 6 months or so. I stopped using it when I was getting allergy shots. I have used it for the last 5 days in a row, though. I'm going to see the surgeon next week.
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    I seem to have a similar problem - for the past 2 years or so, I have had difficulty breathing out of one side of my nose or the other. Sometimes it's the right, and sometimes it's the left, but never both at once. I'm also always blowing junk out of my nose as well.

    The doctor I saw gave me a prescription for flonase, which has been moderately effective in allowing me to breathe through my nose. My question is, how is this different from the zicam, and would I be better off using the zicam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ectx View Post
    honestly, without having more info, or better yet, being an MD (lol) I wouldn't know exactly. It's my understanding that it's not so much that allergies are causing the swelling...it's that your nasal passage is constricted because of the deviated septum so any kind of swelling, however minimal, regardless of cause, is a big deal.
    What DO you do, out of interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialK View Post
    I seem to have a similar problem - for the past 2 years or so, I have had difficulty breathing out of one side of my nose or the other. Sometimes it's the right, and sometimes it's the left, but never both at once. I'm also always blowing junk out of my nose as well.

    The doctor I saw gave me a prescription for flonase, which has been moderately effective in allowing me to breathe through my nose. My question is, how is this different from the zicam, and would I be better off using the zicam?
    Flonase's active ingredient is fluticasone propionate, which is a corticosteriod. It is an anti-inflamitory. I used to use the Zicam, but it did nothing for me. I would talk to your doctor to find out which would work best for your allergies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidelmo View Post
    What DO you do, out of interest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidelmo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanche_Soprano View Post
    Flonase's active ingredient is fluticasone propionate, which is a corticosteriod. It is an anti-inflamitory. I used to use the Zicam, but it did nothing for me. I would talk to your doctor to find out which would work best for your allergies.
    He's seen a doctor. The point wasn't to get a deconogestant, it's that the root of his problems may not be allergies at all.

    Keep us posted, Hahn...let us know what your doctor says!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
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    I'd get the deviated septum fixed. Its permanent and it helps so much with breathing. Mine was fixed and for a while I actually had a nose.
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    If you have a deviated septum, will you ALWAYS have trouble breathing through your nose, and will it always be on the same side?

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    Breathing, smelling, sleeping, yes. I have had less or lack of these things for ten years and it has been constant. The corticosteroid and allegra allow for a full breath pretty much the whole day, but I know I am still not completely fixed (still can't smell everything), and I really don't want to have to take 2 pills and a nasal spray forever just to be able to breathe. Next time I see the doc I'll see if he'll schedule the surgery.

    Edit: Your other question, I think it may depend on the person. I know mine when casually resting is more over to the right side, but in different positions (I. E. lying on a side) it can block either or both nostrils.
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