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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    How long does it take to complete your 5x5

    Ive been doing 5x5 for squats, deads, and bench and I noticed they take a while to finish. I usually take about 20 minutes for squats and deads, and a little less time for bench. Does this sound like my time between sets is too long? For the last few weeks Ive tried out 4x6 and I like it a lot better, but should I go back to 5x5? I do one of the big 3 exercises each workout day, always first.

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    dude when i did a 5x5 i would finish in about 25 mins. not enough imo. bump up the volume for real gains bro

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    ^^

    You weren't doing the 5x5 right. For real gains? You need to read up a LOT more on the 5x5 methodology. It goes in cycles. Some sessions easy, others tremendously hard.
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    dude I just dont take long rests... 30 seconds tops for best gains

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    That didn't really explain much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tough_guy View Post
    dude I just dont take long rests... 30 seconds tops for best gains
    Quote Originally Posted by tough_guy View Post
    dude when i did a 5x5 i would finish in about 25 mins. not enough imo. bump up the volume for real gains bro
    4 rests
    30 seconds each
    25 minutes total

    23 minutes for your time under tension????



    please, clear this up
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    ^^Im pretty sure he was talking about his whole workout.

    I do a 5x5 and like it a lot. I ussually finish in about 45 minutes, which is perfect for me. With the little information you have provided I cant tell why it might be taking you so long, because I too do one of the big three every day (Actually twice a week I do two of the big three). I also dont know why tough guy's routine is taking so little time.

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    I also dont know why tough guy's routine is taking so little time.
    Because he doesn't know what he's doing...at least not with the 5x5.
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    I only use 5x5 for the big 3. I take 90-120 seconds in between sets, usually takes about 10-15 minutes for each excercise.
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    Don't think too much into how many minutes/seconds you should take in between workouts.

    That's just a bit too technical. Go when you're ready.

    Twenty minutes seems slightly long, but I don't think it's way too long or anything. How exactly do you structure your sets?
    Ideally, you should be using a ramped weight scheme if you're using Starr's 5x5.

    For example: 95, 115, 135, 155, 175

    Usually, depending on how much weight I'm using, I'll do one warm-up set. If I was using weights like I posted in my example, my warm-up would just be the bar. But sometimes I don't even do a warm-up, since with a ramped weight scheme like that, your first 2-3 sets are really light and could easily be considered warm-ups.
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    It takes me like an hour just to get through the three main lifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noahfor123 View Post
    It takes me like an hour just to get through the three main lifts.
    Yeah, an hour is probably ideally how long it should take.

    I actually get done myself anywhere between 45-60 minutes. This really depends solely on how good I feel. If I'm feeling good I can really fly through a workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris686 View Post
    Don't think too much into how many minutes/seconds you should take in between workouts.

    That's just a bit too technical. Go when you're ready.

    Twenty minutes seems slightly long, but I don't think it's way too long or anything. How exactly do you structure your sets?
    Ideally, you should be using a ramped weight scheme if you're using Starr's 5x5.

    For example: 95, 115, 135, 155, 175

    Usually, depending on how much weight I'm using, I'll do one warm-up set. If I was using weights like I posted in my example, my warm-up would just be the bar. But sometimes I don't even do a warm-up, since with a ramped weight scheme like that, your first 2-3 sets are really light and could easily be considered warm-ups.
    I ramp, but not after each set. I usually increase the weight twice after I warm up, for example:
    Deadlifts: 225 (warmup), 275, 275, 285, 285, 295
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    Ya it usually takes me about a hour for 3 compounds on 5x5 and an accessorie lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    I ramp, but not after each set. I usually increase the weight twice after I warm up, for example:
    Deadlifts: 225 (warmup), 275, 275, 285, 285, 295
    Hmm, this isn't modelled exactly on Bill Starr's 5x5 then, right? Don't get me wrong - there's nothing WRONG with doing 5 sets of 5 reps, but it's a different scheme, so to speak. I think Starr recommends going up on every single set, unless I'm grossly mistaken.

    At any rate, I am doing merely 5 sets of 5 reps for the big compounds at present (and not progressively increasing the weight, a la something you'd see in Starr's routine) and each workout takes me probably 50-60 minutes. That includes 2-3 minutes of rest between each set of the big compound (for a total rest time of somewhere in the 10-15 minute range after your factor in changing the weight, etc.) and 1-2 minutes rest between sets of accessory lifts. I'll usually do two or three accessory lifts and one big compound (squat/dead/bench) on each workout day. I like the feeling of working out for an hour - seems perfect for me timewise. Anyhow, hope this helps!
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