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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Congrats on switching to this new place, it looks like it's got some beefy equipment and the owner sounds like a cool guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete22 View Post
    Congrats on switching to this new place, it looks like it's got some beefy equipment and the owner sounds like a cool guy.
    Yup. Training there is much better than what I'm used to
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    DE bench

    *dynamic warmup*

    Speed bench, DBL'd minis:
    bar x 10 wide
    bar x 10 close
    bands x 5
    95 x 5
    135 x 5
    135 x 5
    135 x 5
    135 x 5

    Wide DB press:
    50's x 10
    60's x 10
    70's x 10

    JM press:
    95 x 10
    95 x 10
    95 x 10

    Fat bar pressdowns:
    60 x 15
    100 x 15
    130 x 15

    Pulldowns:
    110 x 10
    130 x 10
    170 x 10
    130 x 10, to gut

    Mini band rear delts, 3 x 10 each arm

    KB shrugs:
    32 kg x 10
    40 kg x 10
    40 kg x 10
    40 kg x 10
    40 kg x 10

    Neck raises, 2 x 20


    Turns out the KB's are in kilos, lol. I thought they felt awful heavy the other day when I did swings. They just have a number on them, so I assumed they were the generic ones made in pounds. Threw one of the 40's on the scale and it was almost 90 lbs. Then I did more shrugs.

    My speed started to slow down as I got higher in reps with the 5 sets of 5 today. I'll lower the weight a bit next week.

    Still easing back into things and becoming re-acquainted with my friend Mr. Ice.
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    Very cool session!

    Something to note, Dick Hartzell is against ice - and makes some really cool points about it in his book, which I cannot remember the title of, something to check out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risk10k View Post
    Very cool session!

    Something to note, Dick Hartzell is against ice - and makes some really cool points about it in his book, which I cannot remember the title of, something to check out.
    Ice makes my elbows not hurt, haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonesXedge View Post
    Ice makes my elbows not hurt, haha
    Well, I suppose its the next best thing to cortisol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risk10k View Post
    Well, I suppose its the next best thing to cortisol!
    You mean Cortisone? Cortisol is a catabolic stress hormone
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonesXedge View Post
    You mean Cortisone? Cortisol a catabolic stress hormone
    Yeah, don't mind me. Haha, I need sleep - I just started thinking about stressed out elbows...

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    Hey lones,

    thanks for the handoffs Saturday..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUCadet97 View Post
    Hey lones,

    thanks for the handoffs Saturday..
    Anytime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risk10k View Post
    Very cool session!

    Something to note, Dick Hartzell is against ice - and makes some really cool points about it in his book, which I cannot remember the title of, something to check out.
    I read some sections of that book and honestly I disagreed with it.

    Inflamation is bad and ice brings down the inflamation. The other thing ice will do is increase the blood flow, by inducing vasodialation so it moves the lactic acid and other byproducts of the tissue micro tears out.

    Ice is almost always a good thing, unless it's used in excess, to the point of numbness or frostbite


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    I read some sections of that book and honestly I disagreed with it.

    Inflamation is bad and ice brings down the inflamation. The other thing ice will do is increase the blood flow, by inducing vasodialation so it moves the lactic acid and other byproducts of the tissue micro tears out.

    Ice is almost always a good thing, unless it's used in excess, to the point of numbness or frostbite
    Wow, that is good arguement! I honestly have no idea behind the science behind it, but everytime I've RICE'd its taken me a longer time to recover - and with a few recent ankle and back sprains I've found active movement to litterally fix things in a day. I'm not saying its the be all end all, I just like attempting new things

    I thought ice slowed blood flow, and wasn't a vasilodator! I'll have to look up some more physiology stuff when I get a chance, it makes me laugh that I know what every damn muscle looks like inside and out (Beef is soo similar its uncanny!) but I have no idea how it works :O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    I read some sections of that book and honestly I disagreed with it.

    Inflamation is bad and ice brings down the inflamation. The other thing ice will do is increase the blood flow, by inducing vasodialation so it moves the lactic acid and other byproducts of the tissue micro tears out.

    Ice is almost always a good thing, unless it's used in excess, to the point of numbness or frostbite


    Smart man is smart LOL. Good info, Travis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risk10k View Post
    I thought ice slowed blood flow, and wasn't a vasilodator! I'll have to look up some more physiology stuff when I get a chance, it makes me laugh that I know what every damn muscle looks like inside and out (Beef is soo similar its uncanny!) but I have no idea how it works :O
    I was a little distracted when I first posted that.

    What I should have said was ice is an indirect vasodilator.

    You are correct, it does indeed slow down blood flow. This is why the muscle itself cools and brings down the inflamation.

    But when the ice is removed, the body hurriedly tries to pump new blood into the area that is cold, in an attempt to return the body to homeostasis. In the process of pumping the new blood it expands the blood vessels to allow more blood flow.

    This is why you need to do 10min on 10min off, 10min on 10min off.

    This creates a pumping effect where the vessels are expanding and contracting, pumping new blood in, and then cooling and bringing down the inflamation.

    This is also why ice is normally better (in minor injuries) than just anti-inflamatories. Anti inflams only bring down the inflamation, they do not pump new blood into the area.

    Hope that all makes sense


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    Thats also why you switch between hot and cold when doing a contrast shower, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonesXedge View Post
    Thats also why you switch between hot and cold when doing a contrast shower, right?
    bingo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    I was a little distracted when I first posted that.

    What I should have said was ice is an indirect vasodilator.

    You are correct, it does indeed slow down blood flow. This is why the muscle itself cools and brings down the inflamation.

    But when the ice is removed, the body hurriedly tries to pump new blood into the area that is cold, in an attempt to return the body to homeostasis. In the process of pumping the new blood it expands the blood vessels to allow more blood flow.

    This is why you need to do 10min on 10min off, 10min on 10min off.

    This creates a pumping effect where the vessels are expanding and contracting, pumping new blood in, and then cooling and bringing down the inflamation.

    This is also why ice is normally better (in minor injuries) than just anti-inflamatories. Anti inflams only bring down the inflamation, they do not pump new blood into the area.

    Hope that all makes sense
    This is an excellent post. I agree 100% with what Travis said. However, I WAS hoping to never hear the word "homeostasis" again. Thanks a lot Travis.
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    haha flashback to your paramedic classes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    I was a little distracted when I first posted that.

    What I should have said was ice is an indirect vasodilator.

    You are correct, it does indeed slow down blood flow. This is why the muscle itself cools and brings down the inflamation.

    But when the ice is removed, the body hurriedly tries to pump new blood into the area that is cold, in an attempt to return the body to homeostasis. In the process of pumping the new blood it expands the blood vessels to allow more blood flow.

    This is why you need to do 10min on 10min off, 10min on 10min off.

    This creates a pumping effect where the vessels are expanding and contracting, pumping new blood in, and then cooling and bringing down the inflamation.

    This is also why ice is normally better (in minor injuries) than just anti-inflamatories. Anti inflams only bring down the inflamation, they do not pump new blood into the area.

    Hope that all makes sense
    Thanks for explaining it! I won't say how advanced my first aid training is in shame of not knowing this haha.

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    ME squat/dead @ Iron Chain

    Sumo deads:
    135 x 5
    225 x 5
    275 x 3
    *briefs*
    315 x 1
    *belt*
    365 x 1
    405 x 1
    *pro squatter suit bottoms*
    455 x 1
    *loose straps up*
    495 x 1
    545 x 1 (15 lb PR)

    Reverse hypers:
    4 plates x 10
    6 plates x 10
    7 plates x 10
    8 plates x 10

    Cable abs of death:
    60 x 10
    70 x 10
    80 x 10
    90 x 10


    Good session, I've had that 545 in me forever. Form was good and everyone hit PR's. Everyone. Beaty pulled 705 easily which was a 25 lb PR, Josh pulled 765 with a HOOK GRIP, then tried 855 mixed and helicoptered it...hence why he's trying to pull hook. He's a strong bastard.

    This crew moves a lot faster, and although it was a bit cooler today every session with them is very fast paced, which I think will do me some good.

    Got some ideas to try later on in the week when I was driving home. I get bored, so I think of new things to try in the gym, haha

    My lockout felt great on the deads, the hip and glute work is paying off. I'm a firm believer in sled work.
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    awesome PR Lones!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFHill View Post
    awesome PR Lones!
    Thanks dude. Expect another next time I deadlift!
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    Nice PR. Those goals are going to be upped quite a bit by the end of the year!!

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    Amen to being a firm believer in sled work, man. Sweet PR, bud. And does 8 plates on reverse hypers mean 8 plates per side? Yeesh, haha.
    Last edited by jbrin0tk; 07-15-2009 at 03:42 PM.

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    Great PR lones. How far is this gym from where you live?

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