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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    If you don't know what you really want, trying to choose a major NOW is silly. I changed majors 5 times and wound up taking an extra year to finish university but having a helluva time.

    My recommendation: If you have a general area (arts, science, engineering, etc.) make that your major in first year but take lots of electives from other areas that interest you and if you have time, audit even more courses.

    Jordan - for the record I don't think you've thought things through in sufficient detail in order to rule out your other interests.

    Biology - your uncle is right, in pure biology research type stuff, jobs can be sketchy. But if you want to do something other than pure research there are lots of options. You could make it biochem and go make assloads of money at Pfizer. You could use a biology degree as a stepping stone to med school or chiropractic or some other health field. I know a guy that dual-majored in biology and marketing and went to work running advertising campaigns for the agriculture industry. LOTS of options there beyond what your uncle is talking about.

    Athletic Training - maybe the money's not there for a schlub trainer at the local toning gym but for the motivated, there's always money to be made. What if you did a kinesiology degree and then maybe went to work for a professional sports team as a trainer? What about exercise research? Does THAT interest you?

    Psychology - the degree to which you've generalized psychology is truly appalling. Clinical psychology (dealing with the mentally disturbed) is only one of MANY aspects of psychology. Hell my degree is in Organizational Psychology. Behavioral Neuroscience could combine your biology and psychology interests. Developmental Psychology is a place to go if you like babes because the babes like studying babies. Cognitive Psychologists at my school worked with the Computer Scientists in developing models for artificial intelligence. Social Psychology is a lot like marketing... understanding why people make decisions and theres crossover with sociology. Clinical psychology, while it's the most popular conception of what psychology IS, is likely to be less than 20% of the curriculum at any decent psych school and you may not even have to take ANY courses in it (I didn't have to although I did -- and decided I didn't want to be a clinical psychologist because listening to people whine all day sounded lame. Of course, now I admin here at WBB and get to read threads about people whining all day. But I can walk away from the computer...).

    Criminology: My best friend in the world has a degree in criminal justice and law enforcement. He worked as a SECURITY GUARD for many years and now repairs slot machines at a casino. I don't know how it works in your area, but here in mine if you can't pass the exams to get into the police college then you're S.O.L. for employment with the OPP (our 'state' police) or the local 5-0. Ditto the RCMP (our version of the FBI). Personally, if I were in your shoes and I was set on trying to be a cop I'd do the psych degree and take some criminology electives. At least that way if the cop thing doesn't pan out you have something to fall back on.
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    I am taking general studies for 2 years and then taking Kinesiology for a BA. want to be a S&C coach.
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    My undergraduate degree was picked strictly because of the job market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bupp View Post

    9. Get straight A's

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    11. Profit

    I actually use the Underpants Gnomes episode when teaching undergrad business classes.

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    FOR EVERYONE WHO'S THINKING ABOUT SALES------------

    If you are a thinking man, or a person who actually cares about other people, the sales industry is not for you. Once you find out that your selling crap you realize that to go on you must sell your soul.

    You end up understanding that your forcing people to buy things that they dont need.

    It becomes a feeling of regret.

    Just a forewarning.

    P.S. Not everyone feels this way, but the people who are sucessful are able to supress this feeling and focus on the $. If you can do it, more power to you, cause there is great money in the industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greekboy80 View Post
    FOR EVERYONE WHO'S THINKING ABOUT SALES------------

    If you are a thinking man, or a person who actually cares about other people, the sales industry is not for you. Once you find out that your selling crap you realize that to go on you must sell your soul.

    You end up understanding that your forcing people to buy things that they dont need.

    It becomes a feeling of regret.

    Just a forewarning.

    P.S. Not everyone feels this way, but the people who are sucessful are able to supress this feeling and focus on the $. If you can do it, more power to you, cause there is great money in the industry.
    My accounting teacher in high schools said the same thing. He was selling products, making great money, and then realized he was practically scamming people for a living. Now he works for the high school and seems to really like his job.
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    Nursing. I want to help people and make a difference and all that schmoopie ****. The money's not terrible, and it's versatile. I get bored easily, and there's a ton of different areas of nursing. After I graduate and do a year or two in a med-surge unit, I want to go into the air force and be a flight nurse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relentless View Post
    Criminology: My best friend in the world has a degree in criminal justice and law enforcement. He worked as a SECURITY GUARD for many years and now repairs slot machines at a casino. I don't know how it works in your area, but here in mine if you can't pass the exams to get into the police college then you're S.O.L. for employment with the OPP (our 'state' police) or the local 5-0. Ditto the RCMP (our version of the FBI). Personally, if I were in your shoes and I was set on trying to be a cop I'd do the psych degree and take some criminology electives. At least that way if the cop thing doesn't pan out you have something to fall back on.
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    If you don't intend to get a second degree I can almost guarantee that you will not get a job in your field. I also think you misunderstand criminology a little bit. You don't catch the bad guys, you compile statistics and other information about the bad guys.

    I used to think I wanted to do a Crim degree. Then I actually took a criminology class.

    I'm majoring in Poli Sci. I choose it because I am interested in that sort of stuff and wanted to work in the international realm in some capacity. But like you're program, the demand for poli sci undergrads is not high and most people will have trouble finding a job once they finish their degree (although, I already have a full-time job secured once I graduate in December. But I'm the exception).

    I intend to go to grad school for a masters in international relations or an MBA. I am also strongly considering law school. As a fourth option, I am planning on writing the Foreign Service exam to get on the fast-track to becoming a diplomat - if I get accepted once I'm done my undergrad I may forgo the extra schooling (although I would prefer to have a second degree).
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    Quote Originally Posted by shootermcgavin7 View Post
    I actually use the Underpants Gnomes episode when teaching undergrad business classes.
    haha damnit, you beat me to the south park reference.. I think the only 3 step program that is even better than the underpants gnomes one is the dick in a box 3 step program.. step 1, cut a hole in a box.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relentless View Post
    Athletic Training - maybe the money's not there for a schlub trainer at the local toning gym but for the motivated, there's always money to be made. What if you did a kinesiology degree and then maybe went to work for a professional sports team as a trainer? What about exercise research? Does THAT interest you?
    One of my roommates majored in A-Train and already had a job before graduation making 50+ year. Granted, that may not seem lik big bucks to some people, but when most of my friends are making under 30k starting, it seems pretty good. It's also better than those people who end up working at Target after graduating college and couldn't find a job.

    Every job has the potential to make big bucks. Do more research on job possiblities. I think you will be surprised.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Sanchez View Post
    I'm majoring in Poli Sci. I choose it because I am interested in that sort of stuff and wanted to work in the international realm in some capacity. But like you're program, the demand for poli sci undergrads is not high and most people will have trouble finding a job once they finish their degree (although, I already have a full-time job secured once I graduate in December. But I'm the exception).
    Poli Sci for life! Poli sci is one of those degrees that doesn't really have a specific job market. The only way to get a job (I'm finding) is to get an internship and hope that they hire you. Luckily, I'm going on to law school and then hopefully grad school after that, so no worries about jobs yet.

    In other words, every major can be said to have problems finding jobs or not being paid well. I know a person that finished med school and can be a full time doctor, but can't find a job because the job market in his area doesn't need more and can't move. It's up to you to do the leg work and find those great jobs that pay well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkall2003 View Post
    My accounting teacher in high schools said the same thing. He was selling products, making great money, and then realized he was practically scamming people for a living. Now he works for the high school and seems to really like his job.
    Ditto - Thats why I teach & coach now...

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    35-40k a year for say a 20-30 year old who is single and lives alone is damn good money, my sister is making 36 and shes doing really well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greekboy80 View Post
    FOR EVERYONE WHO'S THINKING ABOUT SALES------------

    If you are a thinking man, or a person who actually cares about other people, the sales industry is not for you. Once you find out that your selling crap you realize that to go on you must sell your soul.

    You end up understanding that your forcing people to buy things that they dont need.

    It becomes a feeling of regret.

    Just a forewarning.

    P.S. Not everyone feels this way, but the people who are sucessful are able to supress this feeling and focus on the $. If you can do it, more power to you, cause there is great money in the industry.
    This is a brutal (and mostly inaccurate) generalization on sales and salespeople that borders on insulting to those that pride themselves on sales ability. What you're describing *may* be applicable to some sort of low-end retail sales schlep pushing discount stereos in a low-rent mall or something.

    But not every salesperson is a "Herb Tarlick". (google him if you're too young to get the reference).

    1) No one actually FORCES anyone else to buy anything. They CONVINCE them. It's a free market, baby. If your emotion state or (lack of) intellect means high pressure or deceptive sales tactics at the local electronics superstore "make" you buy anything maybe you should stay home and shop online.

    2) Believing in what you're selling is pretty important. If you're selling "crap" then maybe you should find something else to sell. Or get out of sales. Even a person that claims to have "no natural selling ability" can be effective as a salesperson if they genuinely believe in what they're selling and can communicate that.

    3) The most successful salespeople I've met (guys that are making six-figure-plus incomes) are not "suppressing feelings of regret". Rather they are capable of
    a) understanding the value behind what they are selling (they are THINKING MEN)
    b) communicating that value effectively
    c) putting all-out effort into finding ideal customers for the product or service that they sell, customers that need exactly what they have (they CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE)
    d) managing the process of getting the customers they've found through the sales cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    35-40k a year for say a 20-30 year old who is single and lives alone is damn good money, my sister is making 36 and shes doing really well.
    Depends where you live.
    If you're in NYC or another big city, you can barely survive on that kind of $$.
    In Rhode Island that kind of money probably goes a lot further.

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    yeah, i agree, in NYC i would spend that in a month on fancy resturants :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relentless View Post
    This is a brutal (and mostly inaccurate) generalization on sales and salespeople that borders on insulting to those that pride themselves on sales ability. What you're describing *may* be applicable to some sort of low-end retail sales schlep pushing discount stereos in a low-rent mall or something.

    But not every salesperson is a "Herb Tarlick". (google him if you're too young to get the reference).

    1) No one actually FORCES anyone else to buy anything. They CONVINCE them. It's a free market, baby. If your emotion state or (lack of) intellect means high pressure or deceptive sales tactics at the local electronics superstore "make" you buy anything maybe you should stay home and shop online.

    2) Believing in what you're selling is pretty important. If you're selling "crap" then maybe you should find something else to sell. Or get out of sales. Even a person that claims to have "no natural selling ability" can be effective as a salesperson if they genuinely believe in what they're selling and can communicate that.

    3) The most successful salespeople I've met (guys that are making six-figure-plus incomes) are not "suppressing feelings of regret". Rather they are capable of
    a) understanding the value behind what they are selling (they are THINKING MEN)
    b) communicating that value effectively
    c) putting all-out effort into finding ideal customers for the product or service that they sell, customers that need exactly what they have (they CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE)
    d) managing the process of getting the customers they've found through the sales cycle

    Ok man, You said it yourself, good choice of words though.

    "No one actually FORCES anyone else to buy anything. They CONVINCE them".
    If you need to "convince" anyone to buy your product, someting tells me that they probably didn't want to buy it in the first place. Thats the reasoning for "salesmen", the product wont sell it self unless someone "convinces" the customer to buy it. If your "product" was good enough or wanted, the consumer would come to you...

    If your emotion state or (lack of) intellect means high pressure or deceptive sales tactics at the local electronics superstore "make" you buy anything maybe you should stay home and shop online.
    This is another point, why prey on people who are, A. in an emotional state, or B. uneducated about the product?

    3) The most successful salespeople I've met (guys that are making six-figure-plus incomes) are not "suppressing feelings of regret". Rather they are capable of
    What are these guys selling? And ask yourself this question, do you think they would sell these products as good or as much for $40-50,000 a year? Do you think they believe in that product that much? They probably wouldn't. This is the reason why they are sales people, because they make BANK off of "convincing" people of they "need".

    If you want to give some examples or name me some products or busniesses that arent like I had mentioned before...

    You are right though, some aspects of sales are decent, and not all sales people are bad. I dont want anybody to get the wrong idea.
    What I said before is an opinion. Its not a fact or written proof. But I would venture to say that probably 85-90% are, how I mentioned before...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relentless View Post
    Depends where you live.
    If you're in NYC or another big city, you can barely survive on that kind of $$.
    In Rhode Island that kind of money probably goes a lot further.
    I read somewhere that the average yearly wage in NYC is around 50k, that includes any full time work. So if you factor in the big bucks jobs, you realize that people have to be earning less than 50k. I live near Chicago and know people that can survive on 20k a year in the city. You just need to know how to handle your money. 20-25 is what most of my friends are starting off with after graduation and most working in cities (LA, Chicago, NYC, Washington DC) and those are just the ones who have found jobs. If you expect to make more than that right out of college you're going to get a slap in the face.
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    Wow, in Green Bay 50k a year is excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanche_Soprano View Post
    I read somewhere that the average yearly wage in NYC is around 50k, that includes any full time work. So if you factor in the big bucks jobs, you realize that people have to be earning less than 50k. I live near Chicago and know people that can survive on 20k a year in the city. You just need to know how to handle your money. 20-25 is what most of my friends are starting off with after graduation and most working in cities (LA, Chicago, NYC, Washington DC) and those are just the ones who have found jobs. If you expect to make more than that right out of college you're going to get a slap in the face.
    I agree.

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    My girlfriend has a degree in criminal justice, and is a social care worker for the state. She just got a second job at IKEA and makes just as much there as her "real" job.

    I know people say that money shouldn't drive your job choice, but 10 months ago I started a bit over 60k/year just out of school, and already got a raise putting me at 65k. This is more then double what a lot of my friends that got other degrees make. My one friend is been out of school for 3 years now and is making 115k a year. Even at 65k I'm having trouble find enough money to do all the things I want. I want to get into a nice house and at $1500-1800 a month for a mortgage it is going to be tight. Then again, buying a $38k car and $10k bike right when I graduated isn't helping.
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    I had a hell of a time trying to find a major. In High School I was basically good at everything, but I didn't know what I truly enjoyed. In my first year of university, I selected Finance/Accounting as my major and decided I would go to business school. I'm not sure why I made this decision but I did. In my first semester I took Calculus I and I absolutely loved it. At the same time, I took Financial Accounting and it was the most boring subject material ever. It made me miserable.

    So, from that I decided I would major in Math instead. Well, after a semester of doing that, I still loved doing math, but not just writing out proofs. I decided to give Geology/English a shot (I won a couple of awards for English in High School so I thought, hey, why not). Well, after that I missed doing Math, so then I tried Physics.

    Physics wasn't bad, but it still didn't feel quite right. I needed something that combined ALL of my interests. A few people suggested taking some engineering courses, so I took Circuits, Digital Logic, Statics and Thermodynamics, and it turned out that I LOVED Statics. At the same time I started watching Frontiers of Construction and Extreme Engineering, and I realized that this is exactly what I want to be doing with my life. So now I'm majoring in Civil Engineering and I absolutely love it. I'm sure the pay is decent or whatever, but more so than that, I'm just happy to have found something that feels right.

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    I'm majoring in economics, taking pre-med classes, and a minor in history and political science. At Boston College they have a special program where you can take whatever classes you want and basically make your own major with your counselors. I did this cuz i couldn't decide between becoming a doctor or going into politics. I'm still hoping for politics but with the pre-med classes i can still go to med school.

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