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    Weight Belt??

    EDIT: Sry for the title, not a weight belt for dips or chins, a belt for bench/squats.

    I really dont understand how this helps people in any exercises. Im sorry, Im a noob. Ive thought about it a lot and I just cant get it to make any sense. Ive seen people using them before and I still cant figure it out. Could someone explain to me how it helps you lift more?

    Also, if anyone could explain any of the other devices and how they help you to lift more, itd be appreciated.
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    A belt sort of "simulates" a stronger core... You push your stomach into it and it increases intra-abdominal pressure (or is it inter?).

    There have been lots of threads about bench shirts and squat suits. And I believe it was Sensei who made a video explaining how a bench shirt works... You should be able to find that with a search in here.
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    Wearing a belt gives you something to push your abs against. Pushing out your abs makes you tighter. Tighter means more stable and more stable means lifting heavier weights.
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    good answer drew


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    ive had this question for a while and im sure others might be curious too

    at what point should one start using a belt to lift? ive told myself once i can DL 405 raw 1-3 reps or squat 315 raw for 6 reps i will buy one. are there better guidelines? i do not compete though
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    Quote Originally Posted by weak sauce View Post
    ive had this question for a while and im sure others might be curious too

    at what point should one start using a belt to lift? ive told myself once i can DL 405 raw 1-3 reps or squat 315 raw for 6 reps i will buy one. are there better guidelines? i do not compete though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killa Kurt View Post
    Never, it is just a crutch.
    Don't listen to that nonsense. Wear the belt when you feel you need it. Strengthen your core by doing core exercises such as good mornings, pull throughs, weighted abs, etc. You'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdizenzo View Post
    Don't listen to that nonsense. Wear the belt when you feel you need it. Strengthen your core by doing core exercises such as good mornings, pull throughs, weighted abs, etc. You'll be fine.
    I've been weightlifting for almost 10 years now, I've never used a belt and I have never been injured lifting, nor on the job (carpenter). Almost every single lifter with credibility that I have talked to in person said it is a bad idea. What happens when you take it off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killa Kurt View Post
    I've been weightlifting for almost 10 years now, I've never used a belt and I have never been injured lifting, nor on the job (carpenter). Almost every single lifter with credibility that I have talked to in person said it is a bad idea. What happens when you take it off?
    Hahaha do you have any idea who you're talking with? Look up a couple of threads before you start throwing your "expertise" into the face of somebody benching mid 500s RAW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killa Kurt View Post
    I've been weightlifting for almost 10 years now, I've never used a belt and I have never been injured lifting, nor on the job (carpenter). Almost every single lifter with credibility that I have talked to in person said it is a bad idea. What happens when you take it off?
    I'm sorry I did not realize I was talking to "thee" Killa Kurt. Please forgive my ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdizenzo View Post
    I'm sorry I did not realize I was talking to "thee" Killa Kurt. Please forgive my ignorance.
    Just my opinion, I think the idea of straps, belts, or anything that helps aid your lifts, are misleading....you can't actually lift it unless you have that aid, whatever it may be (shirt, suit, straps, belts, etc.). Still my question is, what happens when you take these off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    Hahaha do you have any idea who you're talking with? Look up a couple of threads before you start throwing your "expertise" into the face of somebody benching mid 500s RAW.
    I'm over 400 RAW at 23 at a bodyweight of 214 lbs, maybe you should look at my journal before you downplay my expertise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killa Kurt View Post
    I'm over 400 RAW at 23 at a bodyweight of 214 lbs, maybe you should look at my journal before you downplay my expertise.


    I've seen your journal and stand beside my statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    I've seen your journal and stand beside my statement.
    Ok talk to me at the end of summer.
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    Uh, ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killa Kurt View Post
    I'm over 400 RAW at 23 at a bodyweight of 214 lbs, maybe you should look at my journal before you downplay my expertise.
    So what competition was your 400 done in? Can we at least see a vid? I have competed in every big bench show there is. I have been lifting for over 20 years. I can lift with and without gear. I have done an 800lb trap bar dl without even a belt. I can standing overhead press 400 any day of the week. I have a 575 raw and an 800 shirt bench and every single lift I mentioned was in a competition.

    It's know it alls like yourself that make named lifters not post on the forums. Does Louie Simmons at Westside or Dave Tate and Jim Wendler at Elite know who you are because they sure as hell know who I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdizenzo View Post
    So what competition was your 400 done in? Can we at least see a vid? I have competed in every big bench show there is. I have been lifting for over 20 years. I can lift with and without gear. I have done an 800lb trap bar dl without even a belt. I can standing overhead press 400 any day of the week. I have a 575 raw and an 800 shirt bench and every single lift I mentioned was in a competition.

    It's know it alls like yourself that make named lifters not post on the forums. Does Louie Simmons at Westside or Dave Tate and Jim Wendler at Elite know who you are because they sure as hell know who I am.
    I didn't claim to know it all, this is what I posted.

    "Just my opinion, I think the idea of straps, belts, or anything that helps aid your lifts, are misleading....you can't actually lift it unless you have that aid, whatever it may be (shirt, suit, straps, belts, etc.). Still my question is, what happens when you take these off?"

    Well since my post was directed at Chubrock and I said that me and you "agree to disagree" but you decided to fire, I guess I'll fire back. For refrence of videos, you can go here http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=KurtBeacon where I have a 405 failure which was 2 months ago. Monday I will have bench videos for you. Who, who, and who from where? Honestly I don't give a **** who they are, who they know, or who knows you......hop on the back of their train and I'll continue to conduct my own. It's funny that you say you pull 800 WITHOUT a belt, after I said I don't think it's a good idea to use one at all regardless of the weight, besides what are you doing pulling anyway.....your a bench specialist right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killa Kurt View Post
    Almost every single lifter with credibility that I have talked to in person said it is a bad idea.

    You really can't get too much more credible than the guys Diz listed.

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    Kurt, I guess I am a bench specialist, but I am strong in every lift. I also said I lift with and without equipment (including a belt). As far as hopping on anyone's back you are just an ass for saying that. I will not go into my list of accomplishments because people who know lifting know me. Not knowing who Westside and Elite Fitness are simply shows your ingorance. They are some of the foremost thinkers on lifting weights. So who are the lifters you said you talk to with credibility?

    By the way, from watching your deadlifts you should definitely do your homework. They were some of the worst deadlifts I have ever seen. Clearly you are a strong kid, try shutting your mouth and opening your ears. You have lots of room to grow in your game both physically and mentally. Or continue to know it all and languish in mediocrity.

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    Killa, who? I'm sorry, noone here has ever heard of you. You can wander in weak mediocrity standing by your question of, what happens when you take it off? My question is, what would happen if you put it on? If you did that, then you wouldn't have an excuse to be weak. If you don't use those aids, then you have an excuse for being weak. If you like having excuses, good for you. The bottom line is, you still have to do the lifting regardless of what you use to help you lift. If you had any clue, you'd understand that. But, you are 23 and you know everything, and we all know who you are because of your amazing 400 bench at 214 bwt. You're Kurt ... Who? I'm sorry, nobody knows who you are. Take your ghey training journal and show people that will be impressed. I know somewhere, so kid thinks you're the greatest. We're all too busy here being the greatest, and we don't have to tell people about it. Jackass
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodeHouse View Post
    Killa, who? I'm sorry, noone here has ever heard of you. You can wander in weak mediocrity standing by your question of, what happens when you take it off? My question is, what would happen if you put it on? If you did that, then you wouldn't have an excuse to be weak. If you don't use those aids, then you have an excuse for being weak. If you like having excuses, good for you. The bottom line is, you still have to do the lifting regardless of what you use to help you lift. If you had any clue, you'd understand that. But, you are 23 and you know everything, and we all know who you are because of your amazing 400 bench at 214 bwt. You're Kurt ... Who? I'm sorry, nobody knows who you are. Take your ghey training journal and show people that will be impressed. I know somewhere, so kid thinks you're the greatest. We're all too busy here being the greatest, and we don't have to tell people about it. Jackass
    And you're who? LOL @ you trying to make yourself sound like a celebrity lifter.

    The lifters in my gym moving heavy weights, that's about all I need.

    I'm doing physical work for almost 10 hrs a day, never been injured, never used a belt. The bottom line is that this isn't politics it doesn't matter who knows me, you, your friend, or anyone else in this game. You go to battle with the iron and you win or lose, it doesn't matter who the **** you are, who knows you, and who you know. Really read the posts in order, I never downplayed anyones lifts, or anyones "accomplishments", are you guys that mad that I think belts are a crutch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killa Kurt View Post
    are you guys that mad that I think belts are a crutch?
    No I am just frustrated because people are asking for information and you are misinforming them. Don't forget you were the first one to throw around "every lifter I know with credibility." This is not an opinion, you are just plain wrong. The belt lends itself to core stability, not to weakening your back.

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    I see that both you and your buddy are from Jersey. It just so happens that Southside is in Milford, CT. You guys can clearly talk the talk on the internet. It would be a pleasure for Big Rob, Vincent, myelf, and the rest of the SFW crew to have you guys as our distinguished guests at Southside for a night of heavy benching. You would get a chance to see how we do it. Learning different styles of training can always benefit anyone. It's one more tool in the tool box of knowledge. You guys should really come up and train. Maybe it's time to walk the walk. Come up and watch the big fish in the big pond. Unless, you like being the big fish in a small pond. It's just lifting weights. If you have 10 years of lifting under your belt, I'm sure you could hang with us. Let me know, and I'll give you directions. Hope to hear from you soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhodeHouse View Post
    I see that both you and your buddy are from Jersey. It just so happens that Southside is in Milford, CT. You guys can clearly talk the talk on the internet. It would be a pleasure for Big Rob, Vincent, myelf, and the rest of the SFW crew to have you guys as our distinguished guests at Southside for a night of heavy benching. You would get a chance to see how we do it. Learning different styles of training can always benefit anyone. It's one more tool in the tool box of knowledge. You guys should really come up and train. Maybe it's time to walk the walk. Come up and watch the big fish in the big pond. Unless, you like being the big fish in a small pond. It's just lifting weights. If you have 10 years of lifting under your belt, I'm sure you could hang with us. Let me know, and I'll give you directions. Hope to hear from you soon.
    I think I'll drive 2.1 miles to my current gym, but thanks....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdizenzo View Post
    No I am just frustrated because people are asking for information and you are misinforming them. Don't forget you were the first one to throw around "every lifter I know with credibility." This is not an opinion, you are just plain wrong. The belt lends itself to core stability, not to weakening your back.
    I'm not saying it weakens your back, I'm saying I feel it is a crutch and I don't think there is any need for it if you train without it right off the bat....
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