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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Is this what's causing the knee, hip pain?

    Hey guys,
    Quick few questions. This is something I never thought of until just now...the shoes that I'm using in the gym absolutely suck...they don't give much support and I should have gotten new ones long ago. Is it possible that the knee pain I've been getting is caused by crappy footwear? And since I'm going to be getting new shoes for squatting, deadlifting this weekend, what should I look for? Hopefully Kohls has what I need.
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    I recommend Nike Free - its the closest thing to bare feet walking. There have been several articles over on T-Nation that mentioned Nike Free shoes lately.

    The first few weeks of wearing them may be uncomfortable, but you will get used to them when the muscles in your feet begin to strengthen. Another plus side with Nike Frees is that you don't need socks

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    Thanks for the suggestions.
    I read a bit that Converse Chuck Taylors are suppose to be great for squatting and deadlifting...can anyone confirm this, and if so, what makes them so great?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray34iyf View Post
    Thanks for the suggestions.
    I read a bit that Converse Chuck Taylors are suppose to be great for squatting and deadlifting...can anyone confirm this, and if so, what makes them so great?
    the soles of Chuck Taylors aren't as high as other shoes.
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    I don't think the problem is that your shoes aren't giving enough support. If anything, the modern shoe gives too much support to the point of becoming a crutch.

    Because of this, the feet actually weakens leading to feet and knee problems. The best shoe to lift in is "no shoe". If you don't workout at home you'll probably have to find a good pair of shoes that give your feet a natural movement (ie. nothing with raised heels or extra padding etc.)
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    get chucks for lifting and look into new shoes for everyday use if they are worn already. Also I can't stress enough how foam rolling and dynamic/static stretching has helped me in my knee/hip pain.

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    Can you give me the stretches you use for the knee/hip pain?
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    http://www.spinalhealth.net/stretching.html
    pretty much all of those minus the anterior shin stretch. Make sure to keep at it .
    I'm sure you dont want to spend money but i would highly suggest (as many others may as well) purchasing a foam roller found here:
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    I take it that you probably work these in after your workout right?..as opposed to before you lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray34iyf View Post
    Thanks for the suggestions.
    I read a bit that Converse Chuck Taylors are suppose to be great for squatting and deadlifting...can anyone confirm this, and if so, what makes them so great?
    Yep, that's true. They allow you to push out on the sides of the shoes (i.e. spreading the floor) and not roll your ankle.

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    How much of a difference is there in terms of performance? Do you think I'll be able to lift more in better footwear like those Converse Chuck Taylors?
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    Honestly, I don't know. It depends on the individual. For example, some people squat ultra wide and wear Chuck's and it works for them. Then, on the other hand, some people squat with a shoulder width stance and wear OL shoes, and that works for them. The only really way for you to figure out the ideal footwear is to give the shoes a try and see if they work for you.
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    Let me just preface this by saying I love Westside and I am well aware of the arguments for using Chucks, but I totally disagree with their (and everyone else's) idea about what is appropriate footwear for squatting. No one would want to squat standing in sand or on a wrestling mat, so why in the world would anyone purposely choose a shoe that provides an unstable base of support?
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    What would you recommend for footwear?..and where would I go to get these shoes?
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    You could be flatfooted so your alignment is already off. When add weight into the equation it could be exacerbating the problem. I make and dispense foot orthotics, it's very common.

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    Understand this is my opinion - most PLers don't agree with me at all.

    I wear Olympic weightlifting shoes when I squat. Rickey Dale Crain has a great shoe that a lot of top PLers use. Safe USA has a squat shoe/boot. I haven't tried Inzer's, so I don't know but I'm pretty sure they'd be better than most shoes you'd buy at the Foot Locker.

    Wrestling shoes would'nt be squishy, but wouldn't give the sole of your foot any support - if you're like me, you need something between your foot and the floor.

    I realize that the shoes are expensive, but most b-ball players don't have a problem shelling out $100+ for a pair of shoes - shoes for lifting are any different.

    I've heard PLers talk about Adidas Samba for lifting. I don't know if they're any better than Chucks, but if the sole is more rigid you might look into them.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    To be honest, I really don't have the money at the moment to shell out for expensive shoes...so, do you think that the Chucks will cut it for the time being?..how about the ones with the extra ankle support?
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    Again, just my opinion, but I'd look into some different shoes...
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Do you have any suggestions that are not specialized power lifting shoes that I could use that are reasonably priced and better than Chucks?
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    I thought I mentioned wrestling shoes and Adidas Samba... I'm sure other shoes will work just as well. The problem I have with Chucks is the squishy sole.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    I bought a $9 pair of shoes that look and feel exactly like Chucks, but are very cheap. Personally I feel they have a harder sole than Chucks and they have held up good so far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    The problem I have with Chucks is the squishy sole.
    I don't know what kind of Chuck's you have, but my Chuck's have one hell of a solid sole. I would definitely recommend them for squatting.

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    Well, squishy is a relative term. The soles on Chucks will give a lot more than an OL or wrestling shoe.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    So lifting barefoot at home? Good/Bad? Some input?
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    So..no luck finding Chucks anywhere. I ended up buying these..

    Will, these serve me well or no?
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