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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    who is right?

    Yesterday i done well on my deadlifts.
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    It was Great form Then some dude walks over and says 'dont drop the weight go lighter and go down slowly imo thats BS he just didnt like the noise. I do it just like anthony and chris but without the sumo stance.
    hmmm what can i say about his routine? About an hour of cardio then close grip bench on the smith 77lb ha then tricep press down with the worst ROM i have ever seen, Then bicep curls on a machine, Then wrist curls wow intense stuff what an Idiot.
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    That's fine. The negative won't help your deadlift.

    But it's also polite to at least try to set them down slowly. Unless you're in one of those hardcore powerlifting gyms that I dream about, haha.

    I'd love to throw the weights on the floor when I deadlift, but I just set them down "gently" for the sake of the people around me.

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    lol one guy at my gym was giving another person deadlift advice and told him when he deadlifts for reps the weight shouldn't touch the floor between sets.

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    i do stiffleg deads and i dont let the weight touch. but i use 35 plates or stand on a platform.
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    Why doesn't the negative help for your deadlift? I'm not saying you're wrong I just figured that more time under tension was better for exercises.
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    Well since a deadlift is marked finished by getting the weight up, also where all the technique and form is critical, the negative is probably just going to fatgue a person more.

    I may be way off, but thats what Id guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomv View Post
    Why doesn't the negative help for your deadlift? I'm not saying you're wrong I just figured that more time under tension was better for exercises.
    Deadlift is one of the only lifts with no negative. So I guess the negative doesn't help your deadlift. I've heard knowledgeable people on hear say that.

    And just look at Chris Rogers, haha.

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    I dunno, man, I think you should lighten up a little....sure, maybe he doesn't know what he is doing and maybe you hate his training routine. However, what do you get from ripping him just for giving you some advice? He's not forcing you to take it. Just sounds a bit immature, in my opinion.
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    From Eric Cressey's Mastering the Deadlift: Part II


    Step 6

    Initiate the eccentric (lowering) portion of the lift by pushing the butt back to unlock the hips without losing neutral spine. Just imagine putting a stretch on your hamstrings without rounding the back

    Step 7

    As the bar is lowered, don't worry about bending the knees until the bar has passed them. Once the bar has passed them, you can bend the knees to get the rest of the way to the floor.
    And also

    Knee Break Lowering

    Believe it or not, a lot of people have more problems with the lowering component of the deadlift than the lifting portion. The most common flaw we see is those who break the knees too early and try to stay completely upright for too long.



    When the knees break, the bar gets further away from the ideal axis of rotation (hips). In order to create the range of motion needed to get the bar around the knees, the lifter has to round the lumbar spine and/or markedly protract the shoulder blades. In both cases, the knees can get shredded up pretty good.

    The solution is simple: push the hips back and keep the spine neutral. Don't break the knees until the bar has passed them. Then you can half squat, half deadlift the bar to the floor.
    He really makes no mention of taking it slow.

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    I've always dropped it.
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    I dunno, man, I think you should lighten up a little....sure, maybe he doesn't know what he is doing and maybe you hate his training routine. However, what do you get from ripping him just for giving you some advice? He's not forcing you to take it. Just sounds a bit immature
    I didnt say anything to him

    I had 2 reps left and he came over i should of been in more of a mood than i was.

    If he says it again i will just say you have obviously not been to a proper gym.

    The gym i go i have seen nobody do deadlifts in a space of 2 months.

    Why the negative when its all about lifting it off the floor i think the negative would injure my back.
    I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts. Time spent away from the Iron makes my mind degenerate. I wallow in a thick depression. My body shuts down my mind.

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    i do stiffleg deads and i dont let the weight touch. but i use 35 plates or stand on a platform.
    I do stiff legged that way also
    I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts. Time spent away from the Iron makes my mind degenerate. I wallow in a thick depression. My body shuts down my mind.

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    Does ur gym have those little sponge mats that the chicks use to do pilates and stuff on? Put those under the plates and it wont be so loud when you drop it.

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    ye funny you say that because they are right next to were i deadlift hahaha thanks man.

    I am thick.
    I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts. Time spent away from the Iron makes my mind degenerate. I wallow in a thick depression. My body shuts down my mind.

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    Without seeing you lift it is hard to say if you are bouncing. Next time set the weight down completely, count to 2-3 then pull again to make sure you aren't using any momentum from hitting the floor. If you find it much harder to get your reps in then he may have been correct.
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    I put it down for about 2 seconds re grip and up again no bouncing whatsoever.
    My partner bouncers though he wont listen.
    I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts. Time spent away from the Iron makes my mind degenerate. I wallow in a thick depression. My body shuts down my mind.

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    hehe bake lifter we share the same dreams hate when people give me that look like im just trying to show off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samj View Post
    I had 2 reps left and he came over i should of been in more of a mood than i was.
    If some dude came over in mid set and started giving me unsolicited advice I'd have RPG'ed is ass pronto. I don't blame you for being annoyed.

    I do a controlled lowering of the weight but I'm certainly not going to fight it from hitting the floor.

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    some people are morons, thats just the way it is

    last week i was very close to losing it with these 2 guys in the gym, they were doing high rep supersets of virtially no weight upright rows, an standing press with just the bar. They must have seriously done 8-10 sets - rediculously pointless. All the other bars were taken, so i was just waiting in the other rack for one of the bars >it got to a point where if they did another set, i was honestly gonna go over there an just throw them out the way, through a wall, whatever, an grab the bar an walk off..luckily they didn't

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