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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Currently Bulking j_man_honda's Avatar
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    Need advice on my routine!

    I am starting a bulking stage to try to get up to 200lbs. from 170lbs. Here lately I have been working out 6x a week, doing 1 body part a day. Like this:

    Monday: BACK and CALVES
    Tuesday: TRICEPS and FOREARMS
    Wednesday:LEGS and CALVES
    Thursday: CHEST and FOREARMS
    Friday: BICEPS and CALVES
    Saturday: SHOULDERS

    I usually do 15 sets of 8-12 reps for each major body part and 6 sets of 12-15 reps for calves and forearms. Do I need to change up my routine and maybe work each body part 2wice a week doing less sets and less reps since I'm bulking? Anyone have a good routine that I can do maybe 5 days a week. Keep in mind I have about 1 hour and 15 minutes each day to workout. Any help will be appreciated.
    Age: 19 / Height: 6'1 / Status: Bulking
    [7/1/07]__170lbs.--[7/15/07]_177lbs.--[9/23/07]_185lbs.---[10/13/07]_187.5lbs--[10/27/07]_191lbs.--
    [12/1/07]_197lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_man_honda View Post
    I am starting a bulking stage to try to get up to 200lbs. from 170lbs. Here lately I have been working out 6x a week, doing 1 body part a day. Like this:

    Monday: BACK and CALVES
    Tuesday: TRICEPS and FOREARMS
    Wednesday:LEGS and CALVES
    Thursday: CHEST and FOREARMS
    Friday: BICEPS and CALVES
    Saturday: SHOULDERS

    I usually do 15 sets of 8-12 reps for each major body part and 6 sets of 12-15 reps for calves and forearms. Do I need to change up my routine and maybe work each body part 2wice a week doing less sets and less reps since I'm bulking? Anyone have a good routine that I can do maybe 5 days a week. Keep in mind I have about 1 hour and 15 minutes each day to workout. Any help will be appreciated.
    Your routine is overkill. You can use almost the same routine for a bulk as you would any other program. The difference in a bulk is simply extra calories. Scrap your routine and look into one of the pre-made routines on the website. That will be a good starting point.
    First Bulk pics VS Starting pics, take a look!! http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=1#post1616109

    Progress pics of a cut using bodyweight only movements http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/sho...45#post2405745

    Generally, if you read a piece of advice on the internet, assume it's wrong until proven otherwise. This applies especially to "conventional wisdom". -Belial

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    Omg.....

    Use a routine from this site. That one is aweful.

    15 sets of 10-12? You've gotta be kidding me. Calves three times a week? Forearms twice?

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    I would switch to a 4 day, upper/lower split that focuses on the big lifts at lower reps. For the accessory work you can do it at higher reps.

    Wbb1.1, BGB are both great routines.

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    How about this:

    Monday: CHEST and TRICEPS
    Tuesday: BACK and BICEPS
    Wed: QUADS and HAMS
    Thursday: SHOULDERS and FOREARMS
    Friday: CHEST(my chest needs some work), CALVES, ABS

    Maybe 8 sets for each body part at 5-8 reps with heavy weight(except for calves,forearms, and abs)

    GOOD? BAD?
    Age: 19 / Height: 6'1 / Status: Bulking
    [7/1/07]__170lbs.--[7/15/07]_177lbs.--[9/23/07]_185lbs.---[10/13/07]_187.5lbs--[10/27/07]_191lbs.--
    [12/1/07]_197lbs.

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    Try BGB
    I'm using it at the moment and finding it works great. I know there's alot of other people who swear by it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j_man_honda View Post
    How about this:

    Monday: CHEST and TRICEPS
    Tuesday: BACK and BICEPS
    Wed: QUADS and HAMS
    Thursday: SHOULDERS and FOREARMS
    Friday: CHEST(my chest needs some work), CALVES, ABS

    Maybe 8 sets for each body part at 5-8 reps with heavy weight(except for calves,forearms, and abs)

    GOOD? BAD?

    working out 5 days in a row is probably too much on your body. like others have said, use a premade routine on this site, those will work the best.
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    Simplify.

    Use a very, very basic routine. Something like What Rippetoe or McCallum would suggest.

    The closest 'pre made' routine posted on WBB is the latest routine Maki posted.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Stagg View Post
    Simplify.

    Use a very, very basic routine. Something like What Rippetoe or McCallum would suggest.

    The closest 'pre made' routine posted on WBB is the latest routine Maki posted.


    I agree with Paul on this one, though I can't say I disagree with too much of what he posts.

    Fuck, fight, or hold the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_man_honda View Post
    I am starting a bulking stage to try to get up to 200lbs. from 170lbs. Here lately I have been working out 6x a week, doing 1 body part a day. Like this:

    Monday: BACK and CALVES
    Tuesday: TRICEPS and FOREARMS
    Wednesday:LEGS and CALVES
    Thursday: CHEST and FOREARMS
    Friday: BICEPS and CALVES
    Saturday: SHOULDERS

    I usually do 15 sets of 8-12 reps for each major body part and 6 sets of 12-15 reps for calves and forearms. Do I need to change up my routine and maybe work each body part 2wice a week doing less sets and less reps since I'm bulking? Anyone have a good routine that I can do maybe 5 days a week. Keep in mind I have about 1 hour and 15 minutes each day to workout. Any help will be appreciated.
    Why are you doing so many sets and so many reps. I don't know why people just don't use a premade routine instead of trying to invent their own.
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    This is the program I have chosen:

    Monday: Chest
    Flat barbell press-5x5-6 reps
    Incline dumbell press-4x6-7 reps
    Decline barbell press-3x6-7 reps
    Standing cable flyes-2x6-7 reps

    Tuesday: Back
    Wide grip cable pulldowns-5x5-6 reps
    T-bar rows-3x6-7 reps
    Pull-ups-2x6-7 reps
    Biceps
    Straight bar curls-5x6-7 reps
    E-Z bar preacher curls-3x6-7 reps
    Standing dumbell curls-2x6-7 reps

    Wednesday Calves, Abs, Forearms

    Thursday Shoulders
    Seated military press-5x6-7 reps
    Seated dumbell side raises-3x6-7 reps
    Barbell shrugs-2x6-7 reps
    Triceps
    Cable pushbowns w/rope-5x6-7 reps
    Skullcrushers-3x6-7 reps
    2arm overhead dumbell extension-2x6-7 reps

    Friday Legs
    Squats-5x6-7 reps
    Leg curls-4x6-7 reps
    Reverse leg curls-3x6-7 reps
    Leg press-2x6-7 reps

    I threw in calves, abs, and forearms on Wed. to give my upper body a break and to prepare my legs for fridays workout. Of course I will be alternating exercises and throwing in different ones each week. This is just my routine for this week. My chest is throbbing from Monday's workout! I will be going very heavy and have my partner spot me on the last 1-2 reps of each exercise. Thanks for all your input but I will try this for 6-8 weeks and see how it goes.
    Age: 19 / Height: 6'1 / Status: Bulking
    [7/1/07]__170lbs.--[7/15/07]_177lbs.--[9/23/07]_185lbs.---[10/13/07]_187.5lbs--[10/27/07]_191lbs.--
    [12/1/07]_197lbs.

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    No deadlifts? No SLDL's? I would reconsider.
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    I will be throwing in deadlifts next week. What do you mean by SLDL's?
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    Straight legged Deadlifts, for hamstrings. Drop the leg curls.
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    Oh yeah. I will probably do those Friday since I didn't do deadlifts today for back. What do you guys think of my routine? or
    Age: 19 / Height: 6'1 / Status: Bulking
    [7/1/07]__170lbs.--[7/15/07]_177lbs.--[9/23/07]_185lbs.---[10/13/07]_187.5lbs--[10/27/07]_191lbs.--
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    Honestly doesn't look bad at all.
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    Cool!! I hope I can notice some gains because in the past I have been doing more reps(10-12) and mostly just getting cut. Since I got serious about bulking on Sunday I've gained 2 pounds and I hope this program does me justice.
    Age: 19 / Height: 6'1 / Status: Bulking
    [7/1/07]__170lbs.--[7/15/07]_177lbs.--[9/23/07]_185lbs.---[10/13/07]_187.5lbs--[10/27/07]_191lbs.--
    [12/1/07]_197lbs.

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    I wouldn't do the wide grip pulldowns. Those can be dangerous to your shoulders. Switch to close grip, it's safer. A wide grip won't build a wide back any more than a close grip...that's just a myth. Your muscles don't know what grip you are using. If your back is worked it will grow.
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    i would do deadlifts, if not atleast do rack pulls. And definately another hamstring dominant exercise, SLDL's most likely. With deadlifts i feel doing them every week is too much for me, so i alternate between rack pulls and deads every week or two. If you dislike deads i would consider trying this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j_man_honda View Post
    Cool!! I hope I can notice some gains because in the past I have been doing more reps(10-12) and mostly just getting cut. Since I got serious about bulking on Sunday I've gained 2 pounds and I hope this program does me justice.
    Higher reps do not "cut" you.

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    That routine isn't anything like what I would suggest for someone 6'1" and 170. You are getting ay to specialised without having built a base.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    Why do you say that? What kind of base-building routine would you suggest?
    Age: 19 / Height: 6'1 / Status: Bulking
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    [12/1/07]_197lbs.

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    Read this thread:

    http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...light=deadlift

    Specifically posts by PaulStagg and Anthony

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_man_honda View Post
    Why do you say that? What kind of base-building routine would you suggest?
    You build your base by squatting, pressing, rowing, chinning, deadlifting, cleaning, as often as possible.

    A really easy suggestion is a variation of a routine that a guy named Rippetoe put in a book. (You would be well served to buy some books by a guy named Rippetoe). He probably didn't invent it, because it's so simple.

    Workout A
    Squat 3x5
    Overhead Press 3x5
    Bent Row 3x5

    Workout B
    Squat 3x5
    Bench Press 3x5
    Deadlift 1x5
    Chin 2xasmanyasyoucando

    Rotate the two workouts, and train 3 days a week, like so:

    Monday: Workout A
    Wednesday: Workout B
    Friday: Workout A
    Monday: Workout B
    Wednesday: Workout A
    Friday: Workout B

    And so on.

    Add weight to everything as often as possible. Start out using weights you know you can get, and slowly and steadily add poundage, and get the reps and sets.

    At the end of each workout, if you feel like it, add 15 minutes of whatever you like - abs, traps, calves, arms, etc. I would make sure some of this work is posterior chain and abs.

    On off days, if you like, do some conditioning. Running, cardio, HIIT, sandbag, whatever.

    When you squat 405 for 3 sets of 5, you can consider the routine you originally posted.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
    "You're wrong, and I have a completely irrelevant pubmed abstract that may or may not say so." - Belial
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