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It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    no...nothing like dogma....it's a campy classic jane fonda as a space nymph movie from the swingin' 60s. I am the woman i am today because of that movie. *lol*
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    So basically God had sex with Mary in order to produce a human form of himself?

    Did she know about this deceit? So basically God was deceiving everyone, correct? Which then leads me to believe that all this religious stuff is nothing but crap.

    And how is it that God could have sex with a human being?
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    That's a big criticism of religions. A lot of people say "well, Christianity has done a lot of atrocities". Which isn't exactly true. A lot of the atrocities associated with Christianity are not the fault of Christianity, so much the fault of followers of Christianity who are arrogant and greedy.
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    Tryska, uh.....I have never even heard of that movie. Sounds like a porno! haha!

    G-B. What deceit? God told Mary what was going to happen.

    Well, I'm sure if I was a deity I could probably figure out a way to conceive with a human being. That's probably why they took away my deity license in the first place. hehe
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    What created the galaxies, the planets, the stars, the living cell?

    We don't know. But why must they have a creator? We're assuming that the Universe, a big unknowable question mark, even HAS a creator, or a point of creation.

    People are quick to apply things that are known to them to things that are unknown. Linearity and causality are two in this case-- who's to say that the greater whole plays by these rules?

    Its hard for us to conceive of anything otherwise, because everything on Earth has a beginning and an ending. Not saying that the Universe is any different, but its certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

    Just something to ponder.
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    You are right Powerman. And the truth is we may never 'know' the answer to these things.
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    Originally posted by Leviathan
    It is my personal belief that religions will disappear as people become more knowledgeable about their world, and our (insignificant) place in the grand scheme of the universe. Give it a couple hundred years, and Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, etc. will be ancient history.
    Well, no. From the stone age on there has been religion. I can't see any reason, why it would disappear.
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    Ok if God did not create all what or who did?

    Something weird I just thought of, in the bible God created the earth in 6 days. Well there are 6 geological periods, humans did not appear until the 6th period the one where in now and in the bible correct me if im wrong but God created man on the 6th day.

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    Originally posted by Leviathan
    It is my personal belief that religions will disappear as people become more knowledgeable about their world, and our (insignificant) place in the grand scheme of the universe.
    Einstein said the deeper the research he did on the Universe, the more he believed that an ultimate creator existed. I believe the exact opposite of what you just said will happen.

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    Originally posted by PowerManDL
    What created the galaxies, the planets, the stars, the living cell?

    We don't know. But why must they have a creator?
    If we can't logically explain something, it is often first instinct to trash it. You said basically the same thing in a previous post, in slightly different terms.

    What is logical about ions, atoms, organelles, tissues, etc. all formed together to create a living being as complex as we (And other species for that matter) are? As you said, each piece of matter regardless of how small has a beginning and an end. Where did this beginning begin? How does the Universe function in such a way that our type of life is possible?

    Why, why, why? Science is not logical when it comes right down to it. That question isn't directed at you really, but moreso the ones who say that a higher power is illogical and absurd. I want to know what is so logical to people, when really there's not a fact anywhere in science that can put any type of reason whatsoever on the roots of creationism. These same people will say religion and the belief in a deity is dumb and far-fetched. This sounds as if the pot is calling the kettle black.
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    But you can also say the same for those who believe in god or a creator. There is no way to prove it or no reasonable explanation...

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    Indeed you can.

    But somehow the non-believers think they are holding a MORE logical reasoning. I'd like to know, where's the logic, if there is no evidence to back it's roots? People will harp about Christians, and in the same breath say they are idiotic for even believing in a God...
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    Originally posted by Muscle4Christ
    Indeed you can.

    But somehow the non-believers think they are holding a MORE logical reasoning. I'd like to know, where's the logic, if there is no evidence to back it's roots? People will harp about Christians, and in the same breath say they are idiotic for even believing in a God...
    Well I agree....you are idiotic for believeing ing a god...damm alcohol
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    Well, I'm a non-believer. I don't fit under anything anyone has said about them so far, so I'd just like to do away with any kind of GERALIZATIONS here. And really, I couldnt care less what or who you believe in. The fact that you have something is great...more power to you. Just don't make these damn suggestions about one or the other bieng wrong, it's an endless fight and it probably won't ever cease to be.
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    *sigh*... I don't know how many times I've had this debate with religious people in my lifetime, but I'll try to sum up my beliefs in this post as to why I believe religion is nothing more than an empty belief in something nonexistent, and why it will disappear in the coming centuries.

    Lets look at the Bible. I've had enough history to know that the Bible that we read today has been edited by hundreds and hundreds of kings, priests, bishops, etc. over the course of the last 2000 years. In fact, during the Middle Ages many churches edited the Bible as a way to maintain control of the people and insure that the King would not gain too much power. Therefore, what you read today is NOT the word of God - it is the propaganda of 2000 years of greed and power struggle

    You are correct that religions have been around since the stone age in some form or another, and you are justified in asking why they will disappear now. Simple. I think that society is becoming more and more secularized. Religion is no longer imposed on people from a young age, and they are free to choose their path. Fewer and fewer people are attending church services (even over the past 10 years - and only a minor increase since September 11th). As the world becomes a smaller place and we are exposed to more and more religions - people will start to see that there is nothing special about their religion. Who is to say their religion is right, and another one wrong? People will see the futility in organized religion and begin to worship on their own (this is already happening a lot today mainly because people are bored of church services). Eventually, people will simply stop worshipping altogether and focus more on working on concensus among different peoples of the world. In other words, religion acts a barrier in many parts of the world to establishing good relations - people realize this, and will work to secure peace and good relations rather than follow religion.

    I could go into much more detail on this topic, but it would be too long of a post. The basic point is that I understand the religious person's point-of-view. I highly suggest that some of the religious people here take some higher-level Astronomy classes - seriously. A lot of the philosophical talk in those classes deals with the impossibility of a deity existing and how truly insignificant (and relatively uncomplicated) the human race is in the universe.
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    Originally posted by Leviathan
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    Lets look at the Bible. I've had enough history to know that the Bible that we read today has been edited by hundreds and hundreds of kings, priests, bishops, etc. over the course of the last 2000 years. In fact, during the Middle Ages many churches edited the Bible as a way to maintain control of the people and insure that the King would not gain too much power. Therefore, what you read today is NOT the word of God - it is the propaganda of 2000 years of greed and power struggle

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    Read "fixation of belief" by C.S. Peirce, a pragmatist. One of the four ways of fixation of belief described my Peirce is the 'Method of Authority' which has been used very effectively in the past. Anyone in power sets forth a series of beliefs and ideas that are backed up by either law or extreme punishment, and those who break that by creating and spreading new ideas conrary to the rulers are punished. This is one of the main reasons philosophy and science have just recently (the last couple of Centuries) begun to flourish and religion has "advanced" throughout that time period. I don't necessarily agree with what was said in the above post, but the point that was made is a valid one.
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    Originally posted by TreeTrunks
    Ok if God did not create all what or who did?

    Something weird I just thought of, in the bible God created the earth in 6 days. Well there are 6 geological periods, humans did not appear until the 6th period the one where in now and in the bible correct me if im wrong but God created man on the 6th day.
    I do not know how it was created. The only explanation that science has is the Big Bang Theory, and it's a hell of a lot more plausable than the book of Genesis.

    Religeon cannot, and never has explained anything to us, science does.

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    for now i gave up on thinking about issues no one will ever know an absolute answer to no matter what.

    im tired of running through labyrinths in the brain.

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    What does the church of science believe? (I know it has gained popularity as of recently)

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    The only question I have about the Bible:
    Genesis I and II contain contradictory accounts of creation. According to some critics, the author of the first account had no prior knowledge of the first account in Genesis 1:1-2:4 and when they are joined together they contain hopeless contradictions. There are lots of differences between the 2 accounts but the main one that I have difficulty with is the order in which living things were created. In the first account, a man and a woman were together as the climax of creation, after the birds and animals. Whereas, according to the second account, the creation of MAN preceded the creation of the animals and birds while the creation of WOMAN followed their creation. That is only one example, there are many other differences and contradictions. I truly believe that this question cannot be answered... Which account is accurate???
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    But..... I'm going to college to study religion and hopefully become a religious sociologist one day! So, after that, maybe i'll be "omni-smart" and tell you all what's up with this whole Bible thing!
    By the way, what religion is everyone here? Just curious. I consider myself to be a Quaker, although I don't go to meeting all too often anymore... better start!
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    For Fauxpas916 - your question concerning Gen. 1 & 2: they are not contradictory accounts of creation. Genesis 1 records the all the days of creation, while Genesis 2 focuses on primarily the sixth day of creation. Namely, God created the world for Mankind to enjoy all that God had made. So Genesis 2 details a bit further the sixth day of creation.

    Concerning religion going away as many have posted, that will never happen since religion is one's belief system. We will always believe something, even if it is a belief that there is no God - that is a belief.

    The one thing that most will do within debates like this concerning religion is avoid the discussion of Jesus. Without Jesus Christianity is meaningless. I'm less interested in religion and more interested in how we all may be able to understand what he taught about having a right RELATIONSHIP with His Father through Him. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6.

    Almost everyone I speak with believes there's a heaven. Yet Jesus clearly says the ONLY WAY to get to heaven is through Him.

    We all must come to a point of decision in our lives. We can debate religion all we want - but what we really need to do is make a decision concerning Jesus. Do we want Him in our lives or out.

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    Leviathan, I agree about the altering of the Bible. That's why I suggest Christians learn to read the Bible in it's original language as Muslims do with the Quran.

    But what you say about religion in the modern era has been pretty true for thousands of years. There is even a book called "Did the Greeks Believe Their Own Myths?" that discusses the topic in the time of Ancient Greece.

    G-B, you can call people idiotic for believing in a God, but then you'd be labeling everyone who believes in a God idiotic. You'd have to throw people (scientists even) like Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein in there as well. Are you smarter than Einstein or Newton? I haven't scene G-Bian Laws of Physics floating around so I suppose that isn't true.

    I can understand how people get sick of "holier than thou" preachy Christians and I certainly believe in science even though I am a Christian. But I think LonestrBeer put it well. Believe what you believe, and don't chastize others for their beliefs. In a civilized society there is room for people to share different beliefs without hurling childish insults at each other.

    The truth is, as much as all of us "believe" in something, be it science or religion, none of us will likely ever "know" the answers to the mysteries of the universe. And that isn't going to be solved on a discussion board. But it is good to talk about to make one think and assess, if one is open to it.
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    Originally posted by Shane
    G-B, you can call people idiotic for believing in a God, but then you'd be labeling everyone who believes in a God idiotic. You'd have to throw people (scientists even) like Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein in there as well. Are you smarter than Einstein or Newton? I haven't scene G-Bian Laws of Physics floating around so I suppose that isn't true.
    I never claimed to be smarter than Einstein or Newton. Please show me where I did claim that...

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    For one, I never claimed you directly said you were smarter than Einstein or Newton. You said "Well I agree....you are idiotic for believeing ing a god...damm alcohol" to Muscle4Christ. By this, it looks to me like you are implying that anyone who believes in a God is idiotic. Einstein and Newton were not idiotic, nor were many other great thinkers, yet many of them believed in a God. So if you can claim that people who believe in a diety are idiotic, then surely you must be smarter than Einstein, Newton, and many of the other great minds out there. Get it?

    By the way, take a look at that post again..."Well I agree....you are idiotic for believeing ing a god...damm alcohol". You sure are one to talk about grammatical errors and spelling aren't you?

    Count the words in all my posts and see how many are not spelled properly. You'll find an acceptable ratio. This is not a manuscript after all.
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