Please indulge me

[Jaxter]

Hi Guys :help:

Need your advice - and I would appreciate all your thoughts

I have been training on and off for 12 years. I have finally come down to getting serious about competing at a regional level (UK) in a years time and would like to ask you what sort of cycle I should start off with. My intention is not to win Mr Olympyia but a regional novices competition - so I am not looking to be freakishly big.

I took some anabolics about 8 years ago but I took them without good advice and stopped after a few weeks.

My Stats are :

Age 34
Height 5"7
weight 86 kg approx
Caloric Intake 3000 calories per day approx
Training 4-5 a week 1hr sessions split routine
My training is written down in a diary and I follow strict rules on increasing lifting poundage to avoid injury.

I believe I am gyno prone and I will be honest by saying I am a little wary of going on the gear - hence my plea for advice.

If someone could also guide me to a good diet\supplement intake (my intention being losing bodyfat and gaining muscle mass) I will truly be in your debt.

I hope I have given you enough info and I know you are asked these questions on a daily basis but I do not mind if you can email me for further advice because ideally I am looking for someone to guide me through the next year as a friend.

Thanx in Advance

Jaxter (from UK)

[Silverback]

Hi Jaxter whereabouts in the uk are you from?, if your looking for diet help i'd post in the Nutrition forum.

Although if your considering AAS again then you would have to alter your diet somewhat. Im not an expert in the AAS field so i would prefer to leave it to some of the more experienced members.

However if you want any help on diet/supplements then i'd be happy to help.

B-R

[Budiak]

Dont alter your diet, just eat more of a good thing. Training 5 times a week will be a lot easier on gear, too.


You said you took some 8 years ago- what was it, and why did you stop suddenly? Definitely shouldnt have jumped in balls first, man. That was bad juju.

[Jaxter]

Thank you for your quick response guys

Big Ron - I will be checkin out the Nutrition section to look at diets etc. I WILL get back to you about dieting shortly. Thank you for your offer of help - I live in the W.Yorks area - Huddersfield.

Budiak - Young and stupid I guess - No excuses really. I was taking Pronobols, Deca, Sustanon - the usual stuff. I stopped cos I realized I had made a BIG mistake. I blew up like a balloon, also had the fast food diet. Stupid, Stupid thing to do.

[Budiak]

Well, I'm glad that you have not mistaken the results from your abberant and reckless use of gear as the norm.

[Tadger]

lol. Very nice Budiak.

Anyway... what kind of cycle are you lookin for? Try throwing something together and we'll help you work on it. What kind of weight do you want to be carrying when you come in at the show? You could probably compete at 180-190 with no trouble. Hit a nice bulking cycle now, then hit a cutting cycle before the show. At 5'7, you'll come in lookin pretty damn thick 180-190.

[Tadger]

oh yeah... metric system. I keep forgetting to change my numbers back. Anyway... you get the idea.

[Jaxter]

Tadger,

OK here is a sample of my intended first cycle and the reasoning behind it :

week 1 & 2 Deca 200mg weekly, sustanon-250 250mg weekly

week 3 Deca 300mg weekly, sustanon-250 250mg weekly

week 4 & 5 Deca 400mg weekly, sustanon-250 500mg weekly

week 6 Deca 200mg weekly, sustanon-250 250mg weekly

week 7 Deca 100mg weekly, sustanon-250 250mg weekly

week 8 Deca 100mg weekly

I should have gained about 15 to 20 pounds in weight by the end, about 10 pounds in lean body weight. My caloric intake should be around the 4200 mark.

I have been offered the above cycle by a friend who has competed, he said my second and third courses will be alot more potent. The first one will offer me clues as to how my body responds to the gear.

What do you think?

I notice there is nothing that will counter the gyno. All comments welcome.

Thanx in advance

[Dominator]

don't taper up to the sust fron load, and 250mg per week of sust is not that much.

[Tadger]

Hmm. Well... to tell you the trutht, that's a pretty poorly designed cycle. I don't like it at all.

First off... you shouldn't use nandrolone... and especially deca. We've gone over this a million times here.
-body recycles metabolites over and over leading to:
-huge detection time
-it is arguably THE most suppressive AAS out there
-there's evidence that it causes leydig cells to be desensitized to gonadotropins
-binds to the glucocorticoid receptor interfereing with corticoid activity

Next, you don't taper up... especially with stuff that has such a huge halflife. If anything, you're gonna want to frontload, then taper down.

Lastly... the dosages are really low.

I suggest you get yourself some test enanthate, some equipoise and a bunch of dbol, ALA, arimidex/femara and clomid.

week 1-4 dbol 30-50mg/day
week 1-10 test 500-600mg/wk
week 1-8(9) eq 400-500mg/wk
week 8-12 dbol 30-50mg/day
week 13-13 clomid 50mg/day
week 1-15 ALA 2-3g/day
week 1-15 arimidex .5mg EOD (femara 1.25mg EOD)

Thats a nice solid multi-purpose cycle. You can cut or bulk with it. All you'd have to change is the diet or training. At your weight, you could run it several times and still see some very good results. You can swap out orals if you wish. The addition of proviron would do you very well. I'd also recommend doubling the dosage the first week or two... that'll get blood levels up alot faster.

[Dominator]

tadger

thats a good looking cycle for my cattle, but just to let me check thats about a 1040 $ cycle or am i getting raped

week 1-4 dbol 30-50mg/day 300 tabs- 150$
week 1-10 test 500-600mg/wk 20amp eth - $200
week 1-8(9) eq 400-500mg/wk 40- 320$
week 8-12 dbol 30-50mg/day 300 tabs -150$
week 13-13 clomid 50mg/day- 30$
week 1-15 ALA 2-3g/day
week 1-15 arimidex .5mg EOD (femara 1.25mg EOD) femara- $190

[Tadger]

Um... you don't have to go with femara. Any generic letrozole will do you just as well. That liquid stuff from pumpnpose should do you well. $90 for 30ml (2.5mg/ml)

Other than that... your prices are about average. You can probably do a might bit better without too much trouble.

clomid for about $10-15.
4g boldenone - $200
6g test enth - $200
You can pick up 1000tabs of dbol for what... $300 or something?