ON 100% double rich chocolate

[jopapa1267]

Well i resently purchased this since everyone was recommending this item. is it just me or does it come out in chunky little bits when you mix it with a spoon. Do i have to use a mixer each time to get a smooth drink with out all those chunks? thanks in advance

[Vido]

I never mix shakes with a spoon, so I wouldn't know. Invest in a shaker cup, it'll set you back like $5.

[DarrenEff]

The few times I've been in a huge hurry and mixed my ON with a spoon, its been pretty clumped. However that's isnt anything that 8 seconds a blender cant fix, but yeah try a shaker cup

[AdmiralDan]

i tired mixing it with a spoon and had the same problem. you don't need a shaker bottle. i just use a widemouth rubbermaid bottle. any bottle you can get the powder into will work. oh yeah, and i never have chunks with a bottle

[jopapa1267]

oh thanks a lot. ill just buy some cheap shaker.

[Gutz981]

I use the same stuff...Shake it up...and go lift

[Shao-LiN]

I use the same stuff...Shake it up...and go lift

Don't forget actually drinking it =P.

[chris mason]

Of course, you could have bought a better product in the first place and not had that problem. Nitrean mixes with a spoon, tastes better, and is a superior product.

The thing all of those who worry so much about saving a few dollars don't realize is that a protein blend will give you a greater net retention of protein ingested. In other words, if you take a certain amount of ON and the same amount of Nitrean you will retain MORE protein when using Nitrean. The whole point of protein supplementation is to increase the available pool of amino acids and Nitrean will do that better than ANY whey only product. So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?

[Vapour Trails]

Of course, you could have bought a better product in the first place and not had that problem. Nitrean mixes with a spoon, tastes better, and is a superior product.

The thing all of those who worry so much about saving a few dollars don't realize is that a protein blend will give you a greater net retention of protein ingested. In other words, if you take a certain amount of ON and the same amount of Nitrean you will retain MORE protein when using Nitrean. The whole point of protein supplementation is to increase the available pool of amino acids and Nitrean will do that better than ANY whey only product. So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?

You have evidence to support your sales pitch?

[fusion210]

Of course, you could have bought a better product in the first place and not had that problem. Nitrean mixes with a spoon, tastes better, and is a superior product.

The thing all of those who worry so much about saving a few dollars don't realize is that a protein blend will give you a greater net retention of protein ingested. In other words, if you take a certain amount of ON and the same amount of Nitrean you will retain MORE protein when using Nitrean. The whole point of protein supplementation is to increase the available pool of amino acids and Nitrean will do that better than ANY whey only product. So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?
I'm REALLY interested in the evidence of that.
I have ON's label in the attachment.
99% protein digestability (1/1 corrected for amino acid score)
Seems like pretty stiff competition.
And I happen to love ON double chocolate and chocolate mint, so I've stuck with it. Blender is the only way to go though. :bow:

[Dirt]

Of course, you could have bought a better product in the first place and not had that problem. Nitrean mixes with a spoon, tastes better, and is a superior product.

The thing all of those who worry so much about saving a few dollars don't realize is that a protein blend will give you a greater net retention of protein ingested. In other words, if you take a certain amount of ON and the same amount of Nitrean you will retain MORE protein when using Nitrean. The whole point of protein supplementation is to increase the available pool of amino acids and Nitrean will do that better than ANY whey only product. So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?

You do realize Nitrean would have to have greater than 50% net retention of protein over ON for your claim to be correct right?

[Holto]

You do realize Nitrean would have to have greater than 50% net retention of protein over ON for your claim to be correct right?

you mean nitrogen, right?

[Holto]

You have evidence to support your sales pitch?

I so hope you keep this up...

[GMCtrk]

Of course, you could have bought a better product in the first place and not had that problem. Nitrean mixes with a spoon, tastes better, and is a superior product.

The thing all of those who worry so much about saving a few dollars don't realize is that a protein blend will give you a greater net retention of protein ingested. In other words, if you take a certain amount of ON and the same amount of Nitrean you will retain MORE protein when using Nitrean. The whole point of protein supplementation is to increase the available pool of amino acids and Nitrean will do that better than ANY whey only product. So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?

You are referring to bioavailability correct? I have seen other wheys claim to be the most bioavailable so I never put much triust in a product that claims that. ON is $47 for 10lbs. Nitrean is $32 for 5 lbs. That's a fairly substantial difference for someone on a budget. If you want more protein uptake (which I'm not sure your argument even holds), just take more protein

But, if you can provide evidence, you have one more future buyer here

[Dirt]

you mean nitrogen, right?

Actually I said protein on purpose because that is what he was claiming in his post. Even though it's technically incorrect, I don't want to go putting words into his mouth and end up being accused of manipulating what he was saying.

In other words, if you take a certain amount of ON and the same amount of Nitrean you will retain MORE protein when using Nitrean.

[chris mason]

Dirt, your thinly veiled attempts at insults with respect to me suck!

Ok, evidence, well, we need look no further than the studies done by Boirie et. al. I will do a bit of quick research and post something for you.

[chris mason]

Here is one (albeit not the best one, I am still looking):

1: J Nutr. 2002 Oct;132(10):3228S-33S. Related Articles, Links


Influence of the protein digestion rate on protein turnover in young and elderly subjects.

Dangin M, Boirie Y, Guillet C, Beaufrere B.

Unite du Metabolisme Proteino-Energetique, Universite d'Auvergne/Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Centre de Recherche en Nutrition Humaine, Clermont-Ferrand, France.

It has long been recognized that numerous dietary parameters, such as the amount and type of protein and nonprotein energy sources, affect protein metabolism. More recently, we demonstrated that the protein digestion rate is an independent factor regulating postprandial protein gain. Indeed, in young men, using a non-steady-state approach and intrinsically labeled milk protein fractions [whey protein (WP) and casein (CAS)] we showed that a slow digested dietary protein (CAS) induced a greater protein gain than a fast one (WP). The mechanisms of this gain also differed according to the protein rate of digestion. WP stimulated amino acid oxidation and protein synthesis without modifying proteolysis, whereas CAS increased amino acid oxidation and protein synthesis to a lesser extent and strongly inhibited proteolysis. These results led to the concept of "slow" and "fast" protein and were confirmed by further experiments during which the meals tested presented different digestion rates but were otherwise identical in terms of amino acid profile. We also analyzed the effects of fat and carbohydrates added to CAS and WP. Our preliminary results suggest that added nonprotein energy sources to CAS and WP attenuated the differences in both the protein digestion rate and protein gain. Finally, and in contrast to young subjects, a "fast" protein may be more beneficial than a "slow" one in elderly subjects, to limit body protein loss. However, long-term studies are needed to confirm this age-related effect.

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Tutorial

PMID: 12368423 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[chris mason]

Oh, and HERE IS ANOTHER:

1: Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Feb;280(2):E340-8. Related Articles, Links


The digestion rate of protein is an independent regulating factor of postprandial protein retention.

Dangin M, Boirie Y, Garcia-Rodenas C, Gachon P, Fauquant J, Callier P, Ballevre O, Beaufrere B.

Laboratoire de Nutrition Humaine, Centre de Recherche en Nutrition Humaine, Universite Clermont Auvergne, 63009 Clermont-Ferrand, France.

To evaluate the importance of protein digestion rate on protein deposition, we characterized leucine kinetics after ingestion of "protein" meals of identical amino acid composition and nitrogen contents but of different digestion rates. Four groups of five or six young men received an L-[1-13C]leucine infusion and one of the following 30-g protein meals: a single meal of slowly digested casein (CAS), a single meal of free amino acid mimicking casein composition (AA), a single meal of rapidly digested whey proteins (WP), or repeated meals of whey proteins (RPT-WP) mimicking slow digestion rate. Comparisons were made between "fast" (AA, WP) and "slow" (CAS, RPT-WP) meals of identical amino acid composition (AA vs. CAS, and WP vs. RPT-WP). The fast meals induced a strong, rapid, and transient increase of aminoacidemia, leucine flux, and oxidation. After slow meals, these parameters increased moderately but durably. Postprandial leucine balance over 7 h was higher after the slow than after the fast meals (CAS: 38 +/- 13 vs. AA: -12 +/- 11, P < 0.01; RPT-WP: 87 +/- 25 vs. WP: 6 +/- 19 micromol/kg, P < 0.05). Protein digestion rate is an independent factor modulating postprandial protein deposition.
PMID: 11158939 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[chris mason]

Actually I said protein on purpose because that is what he was claiming in his post. Even though it's technically incorrect, I don't want to go putting words into his mouth and end up being accused of manipulating what he was saying.


Read what Dr. Boirie et. al had to say about the semantics you putz.

[chris mason]

Don't **** with me!!!!!!!

: Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1997 Dec 23;94(26):14930-5. Related Articles, Links


Slow and fast dietary proteins differently modulate postprandial protein accretion.

Boirie Y, Dangin M, Gachon P, Vasson MP, Maubois JL, Beaufrere B.

Laboratoire de Nutrition Humaine, Universite Clermont Auvergne, Centre de Recherche en Nutrition Humaine, BP 321, 63009 Clermont-Ferrand Cedex 1, France.

The speed of absorption of dietary amino acids by the gut varies according to the type of ingested dietary protein. This could affect postprandial protein synthesis, breakdown, and deposition. To test this hypothesis, two intrinsically 13C-leucine-labeled milk proteins, casein (CAS) and whey protein (WP), of different physicochemical properties were ingested as one single meal by healthy adults. Postprandial whole body leucine kinetics were assessed by using a dual tracer methodology. WP induced a dramatic but short increase of plasma amino acids. CAS induced a prolonged plateau of moderate hyperaminoacidemia, probably because of a slow gastric emptying. Whole body protein breakdown was inhibited by 34% after CAS ingestion but not after WP ingestion. Postprandial protein synthesis was stimulated by 68% with the WP meal and to a lesser extent (+31%) with the CAS meal. Postprandial whole body leucine oxidation over 7 h was lower with CAS (272 +/- 91 micromol.kg-1) than with WP (373 +/- 56 micromol.kg-1). Leucine intake was identical in both meals (380 micromol.kg-1). Therefore, net leucine balance over the 7 h after the meal was more positive with CAS than with WP (P < 0.05, WP vs. CAS). In conclusion, the speed of protein digestion and amino acid absorption from the gut has a major effect on whole body protein anabolism after one single meal. By analogy with carbohydrate metabolism, slow and fast proteins modulate the postprandial metabolic response, a concept to be applied to wasting situations.
PMID: 9405716 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[chris mason]

Look, I get TIRED of having my integrity questioned. I DON'T MAKE BULL**** CLAIMS ABOUT OUR PRODUCTS AND I NEVER WILL. I STATE THE FACTS AS I KNOW THEM. IF I KNOW SOMETHING WHICH IS FAVORABLE TO MY PRODUCT VS. ANOTHER YOU BETTER BET YOUR ASS I AM GOING TO SAY IT. DANIEL AND I ARE STRAIGHT AND SELL GOOD PRODUCTS WHICH REALLY WORK. PERIOD, END OF STORY.

[chris mason]

The bottom line to the above studies is that slower digesting proteins results in greater net protein retention. Nitrean has whey protein AND both casein and egg protein. Both casein and egg proteins are more slowly digested all other factors being equal.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

[Dirt]

Dirt, you are a complete idiot you know that.


Ok, evidence, well, we need look no further than the studies done by Boirie et. al. I will do a bit or quick research and post something for you.

Read what Dr. Boirie et. al had to say about the semantics you putz.

First of all. Aren't you a moderator on these forums? I'd be banned/warned if I called someone an "idiot" or a "putz". I suppose personal attacks are alright for you because you're the one who does the banning. Quite the double standard.

Second of all. You seem to have difficulties with reading comprehension. Nitrean costs 1.52x as much as ON. The only point I was trying to make is that you claimed "a protein blend will give you a greater net retention of protein ingested" and for that to matter at all, your product would have to show greater than 50% "protein retention" over ON in order for it to make sense from a price standpoint. As GMCtrk pointed out, you could just eat more of the cheaper ON to get the same net effect. This is purely based on price point, as you were alluding to the fact that people aren't saving as much as they perceive. I never asked you for any studies or evidence (Vapour Trails and GMCtrk did). I was simply pointing out something I thought was worth considering in light of your post.

You seem to have some sort of underlying hostility against me that is apparent in your replies.

[GMCtrk]

Chris, why all the name calling? Is it really necessary?

I want to see empirical evidence that your protein is better than any other brand

[TBone4Eva]

Look, I get TIRED of having my integrity questioned. I DON'T MAKE BULL**** CLAIMS ABOUT OUR PRODUCTS AND I NEVER WILL. I STATE THE FACTS AS I KNOW THEM. IF I KNOW SOMETHING WHICH IS FAVORABLE TO MY PRODUCT VS. ANOTHER YOU BETTER BET YOUR ASS I AM GOING TO SAY IT. DANIEL AND I ARE STRAIGHT AND SELL GOOD PRODUCTS WHICH REALLY WORK. PERIOD, END OF STORY.Wow man. Why are you letting a few individuals get you so riled up? If you believe in your product then let it stand on it's own. From what I've seen the people who have actually used it have nothing but good things to say about Nitrean. Just remember, the best products are the products that sell themselves. So, I'll leave it at that.

Now the question is, how much of an extra benefit is one going to receive from Nitrean over ON? And if it is a significant benefit, does that extra benefit outweigh the extra cost? I could care less which product is actually more superior gram for gram. What I want to know is, which product has more bang for the buck?

[Dirt]

Dirt, your thinly veiled attempts at insults with respect to me suck!


Chris, you forgot to edit post #19 and remove where you called me a "putz". Also, I'm not insulting you nor am I arguing semantics. I'm not even refuting the benefits of a blend over plain whey. I was just adding something in response to:

So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?

As I've already mentioned, GMCtrk touched on this in his post.

ON is $47 for 10lbs. Nitrean is $32 for 5 lbs. That's a fairly substantial difference for someone on a budget.

The cost between a blend and whey is quite large, a lot more than "a few dollars". When you're on a budget, you'd have to see a substantial difference between the two to justify paying the higher price.

[chris mason]

No Dirt, I didn't forget to edit that post. You are a putz.

Lol, look, I just used widely accepted studies to show that the digestion rate of a protein effects net protein retention. I showed you slower digesting proteins result in a greater net retention of protein.

I backed up my statement and you are too much of a PUTZ to admit it. That's too bad.

To Tbone, I am not upset over this thread only, my buddy Dirt has attacked other statements I have made about my products so there is a history here.

Our product mixes better, tastes as good or better, and will give you more protein on a gram for gram basis than ON (with respect to retained protein). That is all. You are, LITERALLY pissing some portion of the difference in cost away when you take a whey only product. The EXACT portion I do not know.

Now, unlike literally every other company out there I will let you in on a little secret, the TRUE difference in the two products will be mitigated if you consume the whey with something which slows down your digestion rate. That would include if you consumed whey on a stomach which was not completely empty or simply mixed it in milk or ate food with your shake.

That said, Daniel and I settled on a blend because we know on a gram for gram basis it is the BEST type of protein supplement. Each type of protein has some benefits which the other does not. Yes, it cost us more and we consequently have to sell the product for a touch more than most brand name quality whey only products (when comparing volume to volume --- i.e. a 4.6 lbs tub vs. a 4-5 lbs tub). The thing I think some of you don't get is we could sell cheap stuff. We could offer a whey only product that was CHEAPER than ON or the other major brands but we choose not to because we want to offer the BEST product we can at a reasonable price. Nitrean and Opticen are those products as are all of the other products we sell.

[briancurran01]

Nitrean is much better then on whey. I tried on one month when i was in a pinch for protein and ran out of the nitrean.

BIG MISTAKE!!! imo on tastes like warmed over caca.

Nitrean is the way to g, and Chris has me as a 5 time repeat customer to come in any thread disputing what nitrean does for a person. Take a look at the results i have had supplementing with nitrean.

Chris...Nitrean is the BOMB and like i said in the compliment that was posted on the At Large site a while back, you guys with your superior customer service have earned a customer for LIFE.

If you ever need someone to say what nitrean has done to help them i will.

Keep doing what you guys are doing Chris and dont pay attention to these people,

You have the superior product and you know it

Thanks again Chris.

Brian

[fusion210]

I still can't see any proof nitrean is better. It contains some ingredients for slower digestion, and you cut/pasted a couple things about slower digestion increasing retention.
But where are the numbers and lab results? Where is the actual proof, that nitrean is better vs ON?

So far your arguement is lacking. And quit bringing up taste, that's a subjective thing, not a factual one. But if you need subjective statements to win an arguement, you have no arguement at all.

[CarlP]

So if I drink my protein shake with or after a meal, more of the protein will be used for muscle than if I drank the protein alone on an empty stomach?

[Jabberwocky]

Is ON cheaper than Nitrean yes. Thats like comparing apples to oranges though, I am guessing if you compared the cost of Nitrean to ON's protein blend the difference would not be that great.

I have used ON and I have a tub of ON atm. However, next protein I am going to buy is a tub of Nitrean simply because I would like to support the company that supplies us with this board.

[Vapour Trails]

The bottom line to the above studies is that slower digesting proteins results in greater net protein retention. Nitrean has whey protein AND both casein and egg protein. Both casein and egg proteins are more slowly digested all other factors being equal.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

I think mostly everyone knows casein and egg proteins digest slower. And most of us already consume milk and eggs daily, in fact I mix my whey with 1% milk. It's good to know by doing that I'm getting the benefits of a fast and slow protein at the same time, without the added cost of nitrean.

[GMCtrk]

Why would I want a slow acting protein right after my workout? I want the fastest absorbing stuff I can get.

[chris mason]

No you don't GMC, and I don't have the time or patience to explain why right now.

For the others, read my previous post to this one very carefully.

Jabber, you are the man and I appreciate your support!

[briancurran01]

No you don't GMC, and I don't have the time or patience to explain why right now.

For the others, read my previous post to this one very carefully.

Jabber, you are the man and I appreciate your support!

lol...i think you MISSED my post from above chris :)

[chris mason]

Whoops, you too Brian! Sorry!

[Dirt]

No Dirt, I didn't forget to edit that post. You are a putz.

Lol, look, I just used widely accepted studies to show that the digestion rate of a protein effects net protein retention. I showed you slower digesting proteins result in a greater net retention of protein.

I backed up my statement and you are too much of a PUTZ to admit it. That's too bad.

To Tbone, I am not upset over this thread only, my buddy Dirt has attacked other statements I have made about my products so there is a history here.


Well I'm glad a moderator can get away with petty name calling. It speaks volumes for you as a representative of this board and your company. Even with all your enraged remarks you still haven't even said anything relevant to my comment. Let me try and explain this to you. Gram per gram a blend has the benefits over whey that you have shown. No where in any of my posts have I said anything to the contrary. As I have said numerous times already, purely from price point you aren't "pissing away" anything unless a blend (Nitrean) is leading to an increase in net retention of over 50% compared to pure whey (ON).


The cost between a blend and whey is quite large, a lot more than "a few dollars". When you're on a budget, you'd have to see a substantial difference between the two to justify paying the higher price.

In response to:

So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?

As far as "attacking other statements" you've made. I merely pointed out that you can't make unsubstantiated claims. Even your banenr for ETS on this webpage claims "Speed up recovery time. Increase strength. Gain muscle." Which is what our entire argument in that other thread was over. You failed to substantiate the claims you made about your product.

It's obvious you have some sort of problem with me. Calling me a putz, idiot and whatever names you manage to come up with next is laughable. Only one person looks like any of the above in this thread and I'll give you a hint, it isn't me.

[TBone4Eva]

You guys seriously need agree to disagree and leave it be, imo.

[GMCtrk]

it's pretty petty to argue over this anyways, since the real gains will come by what you eat and how much of it compared to whether you take this brand of protein or another

[chris mason]

Well I'm glad a moderator can get away with petty name calling. It speaks volumes for you as a representative of this board and your company. Even with all your enraged remarks you still haven't even said anything relevant to my comment. Let me try and explain this to you. Gram per gram a blend has the benefits over whey that you have shown. No where in any of my posts have I said anything to the contrary. As I have said numerous times already, purely from price point you aren't "pissing away" anything unless a blend (Nitrean) is leading to an increase in net retention of over 50% compared to pure whey (ON).



In response to:



As far as "attacking other statements" you've made. I merely pointed out that you can't make unsubstantiated claims. Even your banenr for ETS on this webpage claims "Speed up recovery time. Increase strength. Gain muscle." Which is what our entire argument in that other thread was over. You failed to substantiate the claims you made about your product.

It's obvious you have some sort of problem with me. Calling me a putz, idiot and whatever names you manage to come up with next is laughable. Only one person looks like any of the above in this thread and I'll give you a hint, it isn't me.


Thanks for reminding me I am a moderator I think I might just ban your ass now.

[JustinASU]

Chris--

I'll admit that I haven't bought many AtLarge Products and I know I should support the website but...just because the guy is out for an argument doesn't mean you have to stoop to his level. Don't ban the guy because he disagrees with you...that's not right.

[chris mason]

If someone on this site wants to reach into my pocket then that is what will happen.

If the guy had ever tried our products and sincerely had a beef with them then I would have no problem with his opinions (well, at least not to the same extent).

It isn't just a matter of him disagreeing with me, there are a lot of people on this site who don't agree with me. This guy argues just for the sake of arguing and to downplay AtLarge (and therefore me) for no reason other than spite.

THAT is the problem.

[getfit]

If someone on this site wants to reach into my pocket then that is what will happen.

If the guy had ever tried our products and sincerely had a beef with them then I would have no problem with his opinions (well, at least not to the same extent).

It isn't just a matter of him disagreeing with me, there are a lot of people on this site who don't agree with me. This guy argues just for the sake of arguing and to downplay AtLarge (and therefore me) for no reason other than spite.

THAT is the problem.
anyways kinda off topic here chris! i've tried the proteins of my life and lemmie tell ya! i'm very happy taste, texture, quality

the end :)

[Vido]

just because the guy is out for an argument doesn't mean you have to stoop to his level.

Stoop to what level? He pointed out a simple fact:

You do realize Nitrean would have to have greater than 50% net retention of protein over ON for your claim to be correct right?

It's stupid because they're arguing 2 different things. ON is cheaper, and thus the better alternative for someone concerned with cost. Nitrean is higher quality, and thus better for someone with money to "piss away".

[Maki Riddington]

ON is cheaper, and thus the better alternative for someone concerned with cost. Nitrean is higher quality, and thus better for someone with money to "piss away".

Aye.

[Dirt]

If someone on this site wants to reach into my pocket then that is what will happen.

If the guy had ever tried our products and sincerely had a beef with them then I would have no problem with his opinions (well, at least not to the same extent).

It isn't just a matter of him disagreeing with me, there are a lot of people on this site who don't agree with me. This guy argues just for the sake of arguing and to downplay AtLarge (and therefore me) for no reason other than spite.

THAT is the problem.

Your problem is you don't like anyone challenging you on anything. You can't handle it. This is evidenced by your numerous outbursts in both threads. I find it incredibly ironic that you constantly bash other supplement companies about false claims, selling snake oil, etc. and then I question your sales pitch about ETS and you start calling me names?

Now I enter a thread after you comment on people "pissing away" their savings (an incredibly misleading statement if I've ever heard one), as a means to try and sell your product. I pointed out something that is valid, and you lost your temper again and resorted to petty name calling. That is incredibly unprofessional. I didn't put down your product at all, I pointed out a fact. I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to grasp that. I have been talking purely in terms of cost. Gram per gram a blend has benefits over pure whey. For people on a budget moeny is the bottom line. A quality product will sell itself, you shouldn't need to put me down or slight another company to do it.

Furthermore, maybe you shouldn't post questions (rhetorical or otherwise) if you don't want them answered truthfully.


So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?

[Dirt]

It's stupid because they're arguing 2 different things. ON is cheaper, and thus the better alternative for someone concerned with cost. Nitrean is higher quality, and thus better for someone with money to "piss away".

:clap:

At least someone managed to follow this thread.

[Dirt]

Thanks for reminding me I am a moderator I think I might just ban your ass now.

I find it hilarious at how different your handling of a similar situation was. I ask in that thread about PHs if you have any evidence for your claims about ETS and you lose your temper, insult my intelligence, make childish remarks, etc. GMCtrk, fusion210 and Vapour Trails all blatantly call you out to produce some evidence for your claims. You don't lose your temper at all on them. Instead you blow up on me again (who didn't even ask for evidence or ask for anything at all) and post studies supporting blends over whey. It's absolutely laughable at how you handled those situations. I wonder if that is because you actually have something to substantiate your claims for Nitrean, and simply don't for ETS. :scratch:

[TBone4Eva]

Thanks for reminding me I am a moderator I think I might just ban your ass now.
See, that's what I was afraid of Chris. To me, you do much more harm to At Large's reputation when you allow someone to cause you to lash out like this. It simply, isn't worth it. Yes, if someone is making false claims against your products you do want to confront that individual, but you shouldn't want to get into shouting matches and name calling as it makes you look unprofessional.

[Vido]

Yes, if someone is making false claims against your products you do want to confront that individual, but you shouldn't want to get into shouting matches and name calling as it makes you look unprofessional.

I agree with what you're saying, but in this thread (and the PH one) no false claims were made.

[chris mason]

I find it hilarious at how different your handling of a similar situation was. I ask in that thread about PHs if you have any evidence for your claims about ETS and you lose your temper, insult my intelligence, make childish remarks, etc. GMCtrk, fusion210 and Vapour Trails all blatantly call you out to produce some evidence for your claims. You don't lose your temper at all on them. Instead you blow up on me again (who didn't even ask for evidence or ask for anything at all) and post studies supporting blends over whey. It's absolutely laughable at how you handled those situations. I wonder if that is because you actually have something to substantiate your claims for Nitrean, and simply don't for ETS. :scratch:


I have never claimed to have published studies to back our claims on ETS other than those specifically done on Microlactin (TM) and our study which was not performed under strict scientific guidelines.

I have never made a false claim about our products.

I have never said ON makes a bad product. In fact, I have said the opposite.

If you ever make another comment about AtLarge's products in ANY manner I will ban you from these forums. That is absolute and final.

[chris mason]

See, that's what I was afraid of Chris. To me, you do much more harm to At Large's reputation when you allow someone to cause you to lash out like this. It simply, isn't worth it. Yes, if someone is making false claims against your products you do want to confront that individual, but you shouldn't want to get into shouting matches and name calling as it makes you look unprofessional.

AtLarge's reputation is just fine. We sell quality products that really work. We process and ship orders as quickly as any company in the business. We offer a personal touch to a degree I have never seen in this business.

He has tried to negatively effect my living (and Daniel's) and I will simply not stand for it. Period, end of story.

[chris mason]

anyways kinda off topic here chris! i've tried the proteins of my life and lemmie tell ya! i'm very happy taste, texture, quality

the end :)


Thank you for your opinion and kind words.

[Jasonl]

I agree that Nitrean is a superior product in all ways to ON's product with the exception of price (not that big of a deal IMO), but I have bought and, if I wasn't on such a tight budget and using no supps. at the moment, would continue to buy Nitrean to support the site...

However, when a thread gets this heated I'm afraid there is only one thing left to do:


http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/croishp/chupacabra.gif



Beware the chupacabra!!!!

:D

[chris mason]

Lol!


Let me just say this one more time to be perfectly clear, ON makes a quality product from anything I have ever read about it on the net.

I am not knocking ON's product, I am saying ours is better. In addition, depending on the size of the jug we are talking about a difference of roughly 33 cents a day between the products. If any of you cannot afford 33 cents a day to support this site AND to buy a better product I would be quite surprised. You bust your ass in the gym and I would think that you would consider 33 cents a day a small sacrifice to make sure you were using one of the best products on the market.

[icanrace]

buy a shaker cup man and you will not have problems with the clumps anymore :)

[Jabberwocky]

$44 for ON's protein blend for 4.4 pounds.

[chris mason]

$44 for ON's protein blend for 4.4 pounds.

Really? Well, that makes our product less expensive in an apple to apple comparison.

My comparison was their whey only vs. our product.

[Canadian Crippler]

Chris, I respect the fact that AtLarge must sell products in order to keep wbb.com up, however is it neccasary to throw in a sales pitch in EVERY SINGLE whey/protein/weightgainer thread? He never asked if he should switch to a different protein, he asked if other people had chunks in there. I think by you plugging in Nitrean advertisements 24/7 you're ruining the main purpose of the site; to help people with their situations.

Oh, please don't try to say Nitrean is "affordable". I can find you multiple sources selling 10lbs of ON 100% Whey for $60 CAD.

[Manveet]

Chris, I respect the fact that AtLarge must sell products in order to keep wbb.com up, however is it neccasary to throw in a sales pitch in EVERY SINGLE whey/protein/weightgainer thread? He never asked if he should switch to a different protein, he asked if other people had chunks in there. I think by you plugging in Nitrean advertisements 24/7 you're ruining the main purpose of the site; to help people with their situations.

Oh, please don't try to say Nitrean is "affordable". I can find you multiple sources selling 10lbs of ON 100% Whey for $60 CAD.


:withstupi

If you get clumps with ON, mix it in a shaker cup. End of story...

[chris mason]

Chris, I respect the fact that AtLarge must sell products in order to keep wbb.com up, however is it neccasary to throw in a sales pitch in EVERY SINGLE whey/protein/weightgainer thread? He never asked if he should switch to a different protein, he asked if other people had chunks in there. I think by you plugging in Nitrean advertisements 24/7 you're ruining the main purpose of the site; to help people with their situations.

Oh, please don't try to say Nitrean is "affordable". I can find you multiple sources selling 10lbs of ON 100% Whey for $60 CAD.


Hmmm, well, first, I don't mention our products in every single protein thread. In fact, far from it.

Next, if you owned the company and thought you were selling the best product would you not want to let people know? Don't answer that, you would unless you were a moron and I don't think you are.

Last, Nitrean is affordable and I have never said it is more affordable than ON's whey only products. What I said was OUR PRODUCT IS BETTER and costs very little more when you really look at it. SOMEONE ELSE NOTED THAT ON'S BLEND IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OURS.

I do hope that people realize we could sell a whey only product cheaper than ON and still make a decent profit. Instead, we choose to sell a blend at NO BETTER OF A PROFIT. Ask yourself why and assume we are not moron businessmen.

[Jasonl]

Lol!


Let me just say this one more time to be perfectly clear, ON makes a quality product from anything I have ever read about it on the net.


IMO, ON has some of the best products on the market hands down.

[Saint Patrick]

This was the original post:

Well i resently purchased this since everyone was recommending this item. is it just me or does it come out in chunky little bits when you mix it with a spoon. Do i have to use a mixer each time to get a smooth drink with out all those chunks? thanks in advance

This was Chris' first response:

Of course, you could have bought a better product in the first place and not had that problem. Nitrean mixes with a spoon, tastes better, and is a superior product.

The thing all of those who worry so much about saving a few dollars don't realize is that a protein blend will give you a greater net retention of protein ingested. In other words, if you take a certain amount of ON and the same amount of Nitrean you will retain MORE protein when using Nitrean. The whole point of protein supplementation is to increase the available pool of amino acids and Nitrean will do that better than ANY whey only product. So, maybe you save a few dollars buying the same amount of a whey only product but are you really saving anything or are you literally "pissing away" those savings?

Completely off topic. The guy already bought the ON, and just wanted to know how to get rid of clumps.

Chris - I understand that you have a business to run, and you want your business to be successful, but like TBone said:

See, that's what I was afraid of Chris. To me, you do much more harm to At Large's reputation when you allow someone to cause you to lash out like this.......... but you shouldn't want to get into shouting matches and name calling as it makes you look unprofessional.

[chris mason]

Judas.

[Saint Patrick]

Judas.

??? :confused:

I'm sorry you feel that way, Chris. I've been a member of this site for almost 3 years, and I've never once said anything to discredit you personally, or At Large as a company.

I am grateful to have found this site when I was a BB newbie, and I'm seriously a better person because of WBB. Furthermore, I like the idea of supporting the site by buying quality products.

My problem is that when you, a Moderator, and co-founder of this board, insult other members by name calling and threaten to ban people for no good reason, it takes away from the quality of the site.

So again, how exactly am I a "Judas", as you put it?

[chris mason]

??? :confused:

I'm sorry you feel that way, Chris. I've been a member of this site for almost 3 years, and I've never once said anything to discredit you personally, or At Large as a company.

I am grateful to have found this site when I was a BB newbie, and I'm seriously a better person because of WBB. Furthermore, I like the idea of supporting the site by buying quality products.

My problem is that when you, a Moderator, and co-founder of this board, insult other members by name calling and threaten to ban people for no good reason, it takes away from the quality of the site.

So again, how exactly am I a "Judas", as you put it?

You might recall a conversation we had about employment some time ago.

You might then compare that conversation to your above post and then make your own conclusion.

As to my reasons for banning whether or not you think they are "good" is irrelevant and you do not have my perspective on the issue.

For a little history on me I think I might have banned 3 people since I became a mod on this site (a long time ago). I am hardly trigger happy when it comes to banning. If I were he would already be gone.

I will discuss the matter no further.