Wii have a bad ass controller

[FighterInSnatch]

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147426537/Wiimote_The_Next_Nintendo_Controller

I think this is awesome.

[Munky]

thats hot

[WBBIRL]

I think is redicilous, I cant play FPS or sports with that.... and thats all I play. Something like zelda MAY be playable but I doubt metriod would be.

[Jabberwocky]

FPS and sports will be awesome on that controller.

Madden on the Wii will finally give the series a breath of fresh air.
And fps will just be insane using that controller.

[FighterInSnatch]

Well I would agree that some games would be odd at first. But after a little bit of practice, eventually you could play any game with it. There is loads of software that could be created around that controller.

[arya202]

Eh seems kinda gimicky but virtual tennis seems pretty cool I must admit.

I can't imagine playing an FPS of racer even a sports title with that.

I'll stick with my 360 and freakin HALO 3!!!

[FighterInSnatch]

Eh seems kinda gimicky but virtual tennis seems pretty cool I must admit.

I can't imagine playing an FPS of racer even a sports title with that.

I'll stick with my 360 and freakin HALO 3!!!

Right on man. I would invest in a Wii. I think they are a great social system. You can have several friends over and with the software really have a good time. Wii + alcohol = FUN!!!!

[d'Anconia]

Yeah some games may be able to utilize it better than others. The way that things are shaping up, I think Wii will sell a lot more than 360 and PS3.

[FighterInSnatch]

Yeah some games may be able to utilize it better than others. The way that things are shaping up, I think Wii will sell a lot more than 360 and PS3.

I think that is very realisitic. Wii is going to appeal to all age groups and types of people.

[SkinnySadMan]

Why can't they just have programmable mouse and keyboard for all consoles :(

[MM]

Did anyone else click on this link, but "somehow" ended up finding themselves on that page with the videos of all the hot girls?

Yeah, me neither.

[cosmicdebree88]

Did anyone else click on this link, but "somehow" ended up finding themselves on that page with the videos of all the hot girls?

Yeah, me neither.

LOL yeah, I got in about 30 sec of the wii trailer then wandered off :D

[Phelon]

this is strange.

[galileo]

This will be amazing.

[lifter4life]

I need to clean my keyboard

[bigedge]

it makes it easy to throw your controller across the room when you get killed or screw up.

and how can you say you cant play fps on it? Its like a gun.. point and shoot so it would be easy. besides who plays fps on console? PC FTW

[bigedge]

ohh and the sword fighting bit looks awesome!

[BG5150]

I find that most people do not want an aerobic workout when they play video games. 90% of the people who play sports games are so unathletic it's pathetic. Certain games would benefit from such a control scheme, but, unfortunately the massive amounts of people who are so uncoordinated as to not be able to work a can opener will be left disenchanted.

[arya202]

besides who plays fps on console?

Wow, someone hasn't played very much Halo:cool:

[WBBIRL]

I just cant see myself doing long term gaming on the Wii, keeping in mind the only sports games I play are football and racing. The controller looks like a remote, IDK but it doesnt interest me at all.

[d'Anconia]

^ Oh well, just sounds like more lifting for you and me.

[WBBIRL]

Now more lifting is bad ass, everyone could use more lifting. LIFTING FTW

[Canadian Crippler]

Anyone who is getting a Wii to sit at home for 6 hours a day and play will likely be dissappointed. Someone who plans on plugging it in for the 30 mins of free time they have between school and going to the gym, or having some buds over one night will likely be happy with it.

[SkinnySadMan]

Most of the good games out for Xbox 360 are FPS; IMO anyways.

Based on my gaming experience with my 360:

-Graw <--- I only played the demo, but I am disappointed that I bought Far Cry instead of this game.
-Condemned <--- short game and not much replay value, but I loved it. It would make a great rent.
-Call of Duty 2 <--- I tried demo also, but it looks fun. I also enjoyed Call of Duty for PC.
-Elder SCrolls IV: Oblivion <--- ****ing disc read errors is all I have to say about this game.

I'm not much for racing games so I can't say much about that. Same with Fighting games.

I have Far Cry but the controls suck, if it was more smooth I would be playing it right now.

I also want to try out a 3rd party controller design like Mad Catz, but there is no Wireless version of it for 360, so I am waiting for that.

I can't afford a 2000 dollar gaming machine, then in 2 years it would already become obsolete.

[WBBIRL]

Crip hit it right on the head, the Wii dosent look like its aimed at the people who can and do (me) invest hour upon hour into a video game. The PS3 and 360 are more for those people.

If you invest 2000$ into a gameing machine right now, in 2 years 500-700$ tops would have you right back at the top. As long as you dont get caught in between hardware revisions.

[SkinnySadMan]

Heh, you know what my plan is ? The plan is to NOT plan on buying a new compute at all this year. Instead buy PS3, then do some gaming with either Xbox360 or PS3. After all three consoles have been released, there won't be a new console coming for another few years. So I plan on spending big bucks on a new gaming "monster machine" a couple years down the road. By then PC gaming will be well above console gaming (yet again).

[RBB]

looks ok. i'm gonna have to wait and see the games, not a big nintendo fan these days. however, those girls in the make it clap video were seriously impressive.

[MixmasterNash]

The Wii looks great.

From the perspective of an ex-hardcore gamer, that started with Colecovision and C64, the Nintendo Virtual Console is THE BEST THING EVER. They are going to sell NES, SNES, N64, and Genesis games for a few bucks each. This market is ages 25-40 and grew up with these games and will gladly pay for these games for a troublefree experience. The new games and amazing remote are just icing on the cake.

[bigedge]

Wow, someone hasn't played very much Halo:cool:

haha we occasionaly bust out halo1 on pc at small lans


Anyone who is getting a Wii to sit at home for 6 hours a day and play will likely be dissappointed. Someone who plans on plugging it in for the 30 mins of free time they have between school and going to the gym, or having some buds over one night will likely be happy with it.

that sounds like me. it would be stacks of fun to play with a bunch of mates

[biggimp]

that video doesnt really show the second part of the controller which is why most of you probably think its stupid. the second part is a hand held joystick.

http://www.lowdown411.com/uploaded_images/revoctrl-787049.jpg
http://www.gamingandtech.com/uploaded_images/revolution-controller-at-a-glance-20050915061358181-000-754468.jpg

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

If you like swinging your arms around like a dork for an hour, then by all means, go ahead! Maybe fat gamer kids will be able to get some exercise with this. ;)

There is also an optional "normal" controller.

[xMeat_Headx]

The Wii is going to be awesome for hardcore gamers and people who never play video games. For those of you questioning the controller for certain games, Nintendo announced the release of another controller that would be optimal for certain kinds of games. It looks like the SNES controller with 2 joysticks like the PS2 controllers. I'll try to find a pic...

[d'Anconia]

^ great... so now we have to buy several different controllers.

[galileo]

You can't bitch about that when the PS3 costs so friggen much.

[xMeat_Headx]

Seriously, you could buy a Wii and about a dozen of those controllers for the price of a PS3.

[WBBIRL]

ROFL.... in other news, XBOX 360 firmware has been released today that will allow bootup of copied 360 games on DL disks. Their are other steps then just copying the disk and booting it up, and you have to flash the firmware to your drive. It also only works for one of the two or three drives in the 360's but its amazing to say the least. It also boots XBOX1 games without any anoying patches. NOW THIS gives the 360 some desirablity, atleast for me.

[xMeat_Headx]

They had something like that for the regular x-box as well, although it took some hardware modification :D

[seK]

http://www.gamersgraveyard.com/repository/nes/peripherals/images/powerglove.jpg

We have been down this road before.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

You can't bitch about that when the PS3 costs so friggen much.Oh noes! $600! The GPU inside it costs more than that, add in a Blu-ray player (which costs around $1000 at this point), a 60GB hard drive, Wi-Fi, blah blah blah... You get the point. 200 extra bucks really isn't a big deal...unless your job sucks.

[xMeat_Headx]

It IS a big deal when the PS3 costs as much as 2 Wii's or 2 360's! 200$ is alot for most people really interested in gaming...

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

200 is nothing, really. Especially for PC gamers who frequently upgrade their PCs. Consoles, on the other hand, will last you about 6-7 years. An extra 200 bucks compared with 6-7 years...I just don't see how horrible that is.

[MixmasterNash]

200 is nothing, really. Especially for PC gamers who frequently upgrade their PCs. Consoles, on the other hand, will last you about 6-7 years. An extra 200 bucks compared with 6-7 years...I just don't see how horrible that is.

Exactly. Hard core gamers will happily pay for a PS3 if they're dying to play some of the exclusive games.

But hardcore gamers are a small market. Parents buying a console for the kids will see the price difference and buy the nintendo. Casual gamers will see that they can buy a 360 and a nintendo for the same price. And then there is the non-gamer market and only nintendo is going after this -- they sold over ten million copies of Nintendogs and Brain Age combined -- and it's much bigger than the hardcore gamer market.

[galileo]

Oh noes! $600! The GPU inside it costs more than that, add in a Blu-ray player (which costs around $1000 at this point), a 60GB hard drive, Wi-Fi, blah blah blah... You get the point. 200 extra bucks really isn't a big deal...unless your job sucks.

What's your mortgage like? Oh...really? Yeah.

[Ironman15]

Why are you guys all blowing your loads over a blu-ray player? I never even heard of one of these until this thread. What makes it worth $1000?

[lifter4life]

The fact that the PS3 can run blu-ray discs alone is worth the $599 to me.

[xMeat_Headx]

Microsoft, who did not include Blu-ray technology in its Xbox 360 console, had previously stated that it is possible that they could add a Blu-ray drive to the unit. However, further comments from Microsoft state that they have no plans to do so, and were merely just trying to illustrate the flexibility of the Xbox 360. In February 2006 (3 months after the console's release), Microsoft announced the development of an external HD DVD drive for use with the Xbox 360, opposing Sony's new Blu-ray format. [9] Although they have since said that if Blu-ray becomes the more dominant format, Microsoft may then release a Blu-ray drive add-on. [10]

Booyaa :D

[MixmasterNash]

What makes it worth $1000?

It has an amazing secret power: You can re-buy all of the movies you already own on DVD for only twice the price.

[WBBIRL]

Microsoft, who did not include Blu-ray technology in its Xbox 360 console, had previously stated that it is possible that they could add a Blu-ray drive to the unit. However, further comments from Microsoft state that they have no plans to do so, and were merely just trying to illustrate the flexibility of the Xbox 360. In February 2006 (3 months after the console's release), Microsoft announced the development of an external HD DVD drive for use with the Xbox 360, opposing Sony's new Blu-ray format. [9] Although they have since said that if Blu-ray becomes the more dominant format, Microsoft may then release a Blu-ray drive add-on. [10]

Booyaa :D

And in turn you've just defeated your comments about the price. 299$+200$ for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray (in which case the drive should cost atleast another 100$) puts you right up there with the PS3. And you still have to pay for online service, dont have wireless controllers and such.

[Jabberwocky]

I had to buy three ps2s. Sony hardware is crap.

PS3 is not looking to be that good of hardware either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_4InHXPHvs

[xMeat_Headx]

And in turn you've just defeated your comments about the price. 299$+200$ for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray (in which case the drive should cost atleast another 100$) puts you right up there with the PS3. And you still have to pay for online service, dont have wireless controllers and such.

No I haven't, don't pretend to know what price Microsoft will release the HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive at...

[WBBIRL]

Its a rumour at this point, and its rumoered to be that much. A stand alone Blu-Ray player will be 1000$+ and you want to laugh at the idea of a 200$ HD-DVD player.. I dont understand. I believe some HD-DVD players have already been sold well over 400$ in price... dont expect M$ to give them away. An no matter the price, its an extra to be accounted for in your 2 for 1 theory.

[xMeat_Headx]

Good point... to be honest I don't care either way. The Xbox 360 is a powerful hardware masterpiece, and Microsoft puts out a ton of great games.. that's the hook for me :D

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

What's your mortgage like? Oh...really? Yeah.And striving for a Ph.D in college is no picnic.



Microsoft, who did not include Blu-ray technology in its Xbox 360 console, had previously stated that it is possible that they could add a Blu-ray drive to the unit.The Blu-ray technology was created in large part by Sony. Microsoft is going to have an HD-DVD add on for 100 bucks, but not a Blu-ray add on. They didn't include either because there's no telling which format will win.


I had to buy three ps2s. Sony hardware is crap.And I've had mine since the first launch of the system. Your bad experience does not apply to everyone else. Did you forget about the Xbox 360 overheating incident? And the Xbox faulty power cord that caused some consoles to melt and carpets to burn? Hardware is not flawless. There's bound to be a bad batch here and there.

[WBBIRL]

My PS2 has been kickin since late 03... has 1000's of hours of usage and has been modded with a DMS4 PRO. Burned games are harder on the laser, yet mine keeps reading backups with zero issues.

Their were some that got DRE's, some like mine, havent. I heard 200$ for the USB HD-DVD drive... where did you hear 100$ scarz???

@ Meat head, its obvious were both fanboys of a different brand lol. We both raise good points, but in the end were both biased.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Their were some that got DRE's, some like mine, havent. I heard 200$ for the USB HD-DVD drive... where did you hear 100$ scarz???Er...maybe I read it wrong, lol. 200 bucks?! :bang: :shoot: Gee. That would make the 360 premium just as much as PS3. Hmmm...

[WBBIRL]

It would make the core version + the HD-DVD drive as much as the "expensive" 600$ version of the PS3.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

The PS3 online service is also free, with an option to upgrade. But you never have to upgrade to play online games on the PS3. Xbox 360 on the other hand...

It adds up, folks.

[RBB]

good points. bottom line is if you buy the 360 plus the wi-fi and hd-dvd add-ons it will have all the features of the ps3, and be just as expensive. the 360 is great so far, just waiting for some more good games to come out this summer/fall. imo, the ps3 is also going to be awesome. you can't really go wrong with either one.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Yeah. They're both great. The Wii will give fat kids exercise with that crazy controller.

[DoUgL@S]

And striving for a Ph.D in college is no picnic.

What does this have to do with the fact that its expensive.

FYI, It is not that hard either.

[Jorge Sanchez]

The Wii will give fat kids exercise with that crazy controller.

Barely.

[biggimp]

what the hell is so great about this blu-ray!!!!!!! "OMG ITS WORHT $1000 BUT THE ENTIRE PS3 IS ONLY $600 I SHOULD BUY IS FOR SURE!!!!!"

thats like if sony put a $1000 toaster on the ps3 and sold it for only $600. who cares? what is so damn great about blu ray? nobody is going to develop games that can use the entire disc, and if they do, the ps3 wont be powerful enough to play them anyways.

its a lame point.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

High Definition movies take up almost the entire space. If Blu-ray wins the format war, then Blu-ray will be the format that HD movies are on. Sony is starting to come out with Blu-ray equipped laptops, among other things. I guess you haven't been paying much attention to the format war going on. It's hard to tell at this point if HD-DVD or Blu-ray will win the next big movie format war.



Barely.'Twas a joke. :)



nobody is going to develop games that can use the entire disc, and if they do, the ps3 wont be powerful enough to play them anywaysDisc space has nothing to do with graphics power. That is completely irrelevant. There were PS2 games that took up almost 9GB. Now we're moving into high definition content. It isn't unfathomable that the disc space may be utilized in the future.

[WBBIRL]

Yea... its the movies, more speifically their resoultion.. that will take up the bulk of that 25GB per disk.

You wouldnt say whats so great about Blu-Ray if you saw your favorite movie on a DVD and a 10 year old tv and then saw the same movie on BR and a 52" 1080p hdtv.

[Ironman15]

Except then you'd have to drop a few grand more just for the tv not too mention the blu-ray. ****, I don't see anything wrong with the picture now that would make me want to go spend thousands of dollars so the picture is clearer. Hell, I'm fine watching VHS in all reality.

[WBBIRL]

Its a new technology, only enthusiast will pay for it. The conservatives in this situation will wait quite some time after the technology is introuduced to jump on the bandwagon with a lesser hit to the wallet. A decent sized HDTV can be had for 1500$.. and with a PS3 your setup for blu-ray with an HDTV for slightly more then a stand alone Blu-Ray set top player.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

Considering that all channels are supposed to be in HD by 2008, you're going to be missing out if you don't have an HDTV. HDTV's don't cost that much these days.

[RBB]

all channels are supposed to be digital by 2008, not high-def. it would cost cable companies a ton of money in infrastructure improvements to have the bandwidth capabilities to broadcast everything in HD. most networks are starting to get ready for the switch to HD, though. seems like we get 2-3 new HD channels every 6 months or so. but even then most of the content on the big network channels (Fox, CBS, etc.) isn't HD. its only prime time shows and sporting events.

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

I'm hearing different things from different people. I guess I got confused somewhere along the line.

I think DirectTV has something like 20+ HD channels now. A lot of different shows are starting to broadcast in HD. It's growing all the time.

[Majestic]

I've got nothing against the PS3. I see a lot of value there, potentially.

But I'm not a hardcore gamer, and I don't like the prospect of a $600 console, or the thought of buying multiple $70 games, when gaming is maybe my 15th most important priority.

It's not that an "extra $200" is a big problem. The problem is that many people are tired of shelling out even $300 in the first place for something that was formerly classified as a "fun appliance".

I'd rather have a DS and a couple goofy titles for when I get stuck in an airport, PLUS the Wii for home/my girlfriend's kids.

I don't see a reason to really knock Sony's product. I see many reasons to knock the price.

But I think it comes down to priorities. When I was in college (which was paid for by my parents), any money I earned went DIRECTLY into things I wanted for myself, like guitars, amplifiers, game systems, etc. It's more difficult for me now, as a 31 year old homeowner, to cough up $600 for something that isn't so much an appliance (the way games used to be), but more like a lifestyle.

These days, it just falls behind other things like lawnmowers, getting my shed's roof repaired ($200, no doubt), guitar refrets, a new amp., gas for the boat, etc.

I can squeeze in the Wii. I'm not sure I'll be able to squeeze in the PS3 for a year or two. But you never know.....I could triple my income by then, and be laughing at this thread a few years from now. I hope. :)

[sCaRz*Of*PaiN]

People change. Priorities change. I rarely play games anymore myself. College consumes a lot of my time and I choose to do other things now in my free time.

[xMeat_Headx]

Sucks for you! I'm a software engineering major, so games can be considered college and vice versa... kinda... :D

[MixmasterNash]

Most game programmers I know hate playing video games. Reading books is a remarkably popular hobby for them.

[WBBIRL]

Never make your hobby your profession... you have that "hobby" because you enjoy doing it and once you HAVE to do it you will lose interest. Spending 8 hours a day working on/testing video games will make you hate playing them in your free time.

Kinda makes me reconsider my whole going to college for computers deal.

[xMeat_Headx]

Unless the profession starts with a 60,000 dollar salary and is rated the number 1 job in the world by Money Magazine! Besides, it takes a loooong time after college before a software engineer could break into successful game programming, unless you're extremely lucky.

[MixmasterNash]

it takes a loooong time after college before a software engineer could break into successful game programming, unless you're extremely lucky.

Or, like, about 3 minutes if your a good coder and know graphics.

The typical career path is college -> game programming -> burnout -> corporate work.

[xMeat_Headx]

That's not what I've heard! Most good software companies are tiny, and usually only have 10-30 people on a project. Its hard to get one of those spots unless you are lucky or have a hookup. Large corporations, on the other hand, are always eager to hire anyone with a degree. They'll stick you in finding glitches and the other little ****ty little jobs until you work your way up or get a better oppurtunity.

[WBBIRL]

Their are dozens upon dozens of software developers out there, even more when you consider both PC and Console gaming. As technology grows, so does the need for manpower. The first mortal kombat was done with 5 people... I believe over 50 worked on Deadly Alliance.

And with the relatively advanced knowledge of computers you could land a job in the broad computer field pretty easily.

[MixmasterNash]

That's not what I've heard! Most good software companies are tiny, and usually only have 10-30 people on a project. Its hard to get one of those spots unless you are lucky or have a hookup.

Well, yes, it's not necessarily easy to get a job at a game company, but most of the people who do get those jobs are very young.


Their are dozens upon dozens of software developers out there, even more when you consider both PC and Console gaming. As technology grows, so does the need for manpower. The first mortal kombat was done with 5 people... I believe over 50 worked on Deadly Alliance.

Let me quickly notes that almost all of the jobs in the game industry are with giant studios like EA, and that very few small game developers survive more than a few years.

If you want a job in the game or movie industry, go to UNC for graduate school in computer science.

[Gutz981]

Anyone who is getting a Wii to sit at home for 6 hours a day and play will likely be dissappointed. Someone who plans on plugging it in for the 30 mins of free time they have between school and going to the gym, or having some buds over one night will likely be happy with it.

Not sure about you and your friends. But I know if I had that **** and me and my buds were all playing tennis, someone would be leaving with something bleeding and/or broken.

[xMeat_Headx]

lol good point gutz, what happens when you and your buds get a little drunk and start using the nunchuck controllers as weapons?

[WBBIRL]

And when they get REALLY drunk and start using them for sexual acts!!!

[Blood&Iron]

Unless the profession starts with a 60,000 dollar salary and is rated the number 1 job in the world by Money Magazine! Besides, it takes a loooong time after college before a software engineer could break into successful game programming, unless you're extremely lucky.
Good luck to you if you expect you'll get $60K fresh out of school...

[xMeat_Headx]

That's the average starting salary with my degree, the only questionable part is how long it takes to get hired. Fortunately I'm going to UT, which has amazing alumni and career services... if I have a degree, a job is pretty much waiting for me.

[Blood&Iron]

That's the average starting salary with my degree, the only questionable part is how long it takes to get hired. Fortunately I'm going to UT, which has amazing alumni and career services... if I have a degree, a job is pretty much waiting for me.
I'm a programmer (well, officially my title is 'Senior Software Engineer'), went to the University of Michigan for CS, etc, etc...

Again, good luck if that's what you're expecting out of the gate...

[Stupendous]

I'm a programmer (well, officially my title is 'Senior Software Engineer'), went to the University of Michigan for CS, etc, etc...

Again, good luck if that's what you're expecting out of the gate...

Well if he has a Masters with some experience he could get close I imagine.

I started at 53K here in Chandler with just a BS. After 7 months I went thru the review process and now make 57K. With profit sharing and such I can get up to 61K. Of course location plays a role in salary.

[Blood&Iron]

Well if he has a Masters with some experience he could get close I imagine.

I started at 53K here in Chandler with just a BS. After 7 months I went thru the review process and now make 57K. With profit sharing and such I can get up to 61K. Of course location plays a role in salary.
Yes, that's a very important point. Location most certainly plays a very large role. I'm in Michigan, where the cost of living is much lower, and consequently salaries are too, versus somewhere like LA or Seattle.